City charter, prepare for lower speed limits. Implementing April 2021

[EK 2.0]

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Don't forget that when you talk about braking as well, you need to infer everyone is driving a heavy american car from the 70s with drum brakes.

In the worst possible winter conditions with old Bias Ply tyres....

[kertejud2]

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Here is a concession-reduce side street speed limits to 40km/hr, feeders to 50km/hr and eliminate all stop signs. Replace them all with yield signs.
Guess which major city has no stop signs and is reducing the number of stop lights. Hint-it's way larger than Calgary.

It also has days where it restricts what cars are allowed to drive based on license plates, is adding cycle lanes, creating pedestrian and cycle dominated neighborhoods, instituting major traffic calming measures, and so on. But perhaps most pertinent to the thread, it is also looking at reducing speed limits to 30km/h.

I mean, I'd fucking love to see us emulate that major city, but I don't think there would be much support elsewhere.

[adam c]

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Here is a concession-reduce side street speed limits to 40km/hr, feeders to 50km/hr and eliminate all stop signs. Replace them all with yield signs.
Guess which major city has no stop signs and is reducing the number of stop lights. Hint-it's way larger than Calgary.

A lot of Asian cities? In Manila I saw maybe 3 traffic lights on the routes we took, every left turn required a u-turn, traffic flowed fairly well for a city that size when we were travelling

[ianmcc]

The point is that the more rules and signs we put in place the less responsible drivers and pedestrians and cyclists become.
How many times have you seen a pedestrian step out into traffic without looking because they had the right of way and thus they aren't responsible for ensuring their own safety.

[J-hop]

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The point is that the more rules and signs we put in place the less responsible drivers and pedestrians and cyclists become.
How many times have you seen a pedestrian step out into traffic without looking because they had the right of way and thus they aren't responsible for ensuring their own safety.

I think the problem isn’t rules it’s the people implementing them don’t comprehend basic human nature and psychology. They try to fit a round peg into a square hole then sit there baffled when it doesn’t fit....

[kertejud2]

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The point is that the more rules and signs we put in place the less responsible drivers and pedestrians and cyclists become.
How many times have you seen a pedestrian step out into traffic without looking because they had the right of way and thus they aren't responsible for ensuring their own safety.

You miss the point that removing signs and rules and even street separation is a way to primarily influence drivers into slowing down and drive more cautiously.

It is a means of lowering speed limit by behavior and design, not by signage.

[finboy]

According to data from the Calgary Police Service, 64 people have been killed on city streets but only eight percent of those took place on residential roads while the other 92 percent took place at major intersections.
Of the worst intersections in the city, where there have been seven or more incidents, none of them are within residential zones.

The rest of the article is carra and an organization promoting lower speed limits making nonsensical claims that don’t reflect this data

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/st...sues-1.4083172

[Mista Bob]

Great! Now I can step out onto a road without looking!!!

[Mitsu3000gt]

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Stop signs are actually really dangerous too. Probably the most dangerous sign ever created.

I don't drive through a single stop sign in my daily routines that shouldn't be a yield instead (which is what people treat them as anyway). 3 or 4-way stops are about the only ones where it somewhat makes sense, but those should probably be traffic circles anyhow.

[J-hop]

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You miss the point that removing signs and rules and even street separation is a way to primarily influence drivers into slowing down and drive more cautiously.

It is a means of lowering speed limit by behavior and design, not by signage.

Where in your experience has traffic calming been successfully implemented in the city?

Bowness road for example has been an utterly abysmal failure and is not only not calming traffic but has increased the danger for bikes specifically

[rage2]

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Where in your experience has traffic calming been successfully implemented in the city?

The 17th Ave SW construction has worked well. Unintended, but worked well haha.

[schocker]

I emailed the Ward 2 Councillor (Magliocca) and he is opposed to this
Assistant got back to me that this is based on zero consultation, massive cost ($5 mm), money could be better spent on items like actual crosswalks, using terrible cities as a comparison and that it wouldn't really improve safety

[finboy]

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Where in your experience has traffic calming been successfully implemented in the city?

Bowness road for example has been an utterly abysmal failure and is not only not calming traffic but has increased the danger for bikes specifically

Crescent heights and rosedale have been a joke, people suuuuuck at driving the traffic circles here and there are many collisions and close calls. You can’t cure bad drivers without re-testing aggressively, and making the initial test hard to pass. Until the province does that, all these steps are meaningless signaling by city councillors, distracting residents from the fact that it requires the province to actually solve the route cause of bad drivers.

[ExtraSlow]

Collisions at a traffic circle are lower consequence than at stop signs and lights because they are largely glancing blows not T-bone type.

So even if number of collisions isn't reduced, number and severity of injuries is reduced greatly.

[ercchry]

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Collisions at a traffic circle are lower consequence than at stop signs and lights because they are largely glancing blows not T-bone type.

So even if number of collisions isn't reduced, number and severity of injuries is reduced greatly.

Challenge accepted!

I’m sure if I grabbed a smart car car2go I could get it sideways through someone’s yard if I clip the curb juuuust right

[firebane]

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Challenge accepted!

I’m sure if I grabbed a smart car car2go I could get it sideways through someone’s yard if I clip the curb juuuust right

I heard rage is looking for some fence demolition.

[finboy]

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Challenge accepted!

I’m sure if I grabbed a smart car car2go I could get it sideways through someone’s yard if I clip the curb juuuust right

A guy actually banked off a traffic circle on my parents street and hit one of the corner houses, he was doing a good clip!

[ExtraSlow]

I mean the AVERAGE injury is lessened.

You are way above average in my books friend.

[J-hop]

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Collisions at a traffic circle are lower consequence than at stop signs and lights because they are largely glancing blows not T-bone type.

So even if number of collisions isn't reduced, number and severity of injuries is reduced greatly.

Yea that makes sense. Issue of pedestrian safety still isn’t addressed though. In my experience navigating a traffic circle as a pedestrian is a freaking nightmare.

[ExtraSlow]

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Yea that makes sense. Issue of pedestrian safety still isn’t addressed though. In my experience navigating a traffic circle as a pedestrian is a freaking nightmare.

Agree, it's not better than lights, and in some cases worse.