Fuck Yeah! Diesel refinery, finally!

[Toma]

Its an evaded truth, that we must start to refine more and more here.

Good news, this state of the art facility is more than welcome!

http://albertaenergyplus.ca/benefits/time-to-diversify/

[speedog]

Too bad that a lot of people won't see your post because they have you on their ignore list - their loss I guess.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by speedog
Too bad that a lot of people won't see your post because they have you on their ignore list - their loss I guess.

Threads still show up, even if the OP is on ignore.

[Toma]

Originally posted by speedog
Too bad that a lot of people won't see your post because they have you on their ignore list - their loss I guess.

lol...the crack heads? They still read it, if for no other reason than to brag the quote "Toma is on your ignore list" lol

[Sugarphreak]

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[Darkane]

Toma just a heads up this refinery was in the cards much before NDP rule.

But yes agreed, let's refine more here too!

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
So being that Canada currently produces all of our own fuel anyway... and we cannot export it to the United States. Basically this will flood the Western market with more fuel than we need, which should drive down the cost at the pump, but will ultimately boost consumption?

Can't say I am really for, or against it; while cheaper fuel is always nice, it will negatively affect peoples choice on buying fuel efficient cars, and R&D for green technology.

Kind of a weird thing for Toma to support

Diesel though. Flood the market with it means cheaper delivery costs for all products. Would also mean it might be worth the extra expense of getting a diesel car/truck.

[Toma]

Originally posted by Darkane
Toma just a heads up this refinery was in the cards much before NDP rule.

But yes agreed, let's refine more here too!

Yeah, I understand we've pulled the plug on a few....

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
So being that Canada currently produces all of our own fuel anyway...

If that's truly the case, then why does our diesel price spike in the winter when its always written off as US heating oil going through the roof out east?

If we produce enough of our own diesel, then I wouldn't think this to be the case. This exact reason I've mentioned is part of the financial sustainability for the NW refinery, that being diesel is very profitable

[KRyn]

Think of all those extra GHGs getting discharged into the air!

[Sugarphreak]

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[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


I know fuel products for vehicles are all made in Canada, however I am not sure if heating oil is produced here exclusively as well (which is basically diesel)

Also, I am a bit confused about how they can have a diesel only refinery. You cannot just convert crude into diesel, there are lighter and heavier products that come out of that process.

From another article.

The refinery will produce ultra low-sulphur diesel fuel and other products including naphtha and diluent.

[roopi]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Basically this will flood the Western market with more fuel than we need, which should drive down the cost at the pump

Pump prices go down? Impossible.

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


You cannot just convert crude into diesel, there are lighter and heavier products that come out of that process.

As noted, there will be other products that are also valuable. That said, you most certainly can tailor the process to be biased towards producing certain products... within reasonable limits, and also of course taking into account the financials of doing so.

But I agree with Roopi, we are at $40/barrel oil and prices are still at $1.05/L for regular gas. The oil companies will get their profits one way or another! But of course, there isn't an oligopoly and anti-competitive practices going on, nope!

[Gart]

edit: Looks like I take too long to reply. ^^^Some good info above me.

Originally posted by Darkane
Toma just a heads up this refinery was in the cards much before NDP rule.

But yes agreed, let's refine more here too!

yeah, initial approval was back in 2007. So about 10years from start to finish (ignoring all the pre-approval time wasted/sigh)

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


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Also, I am a bit confused about how they can have a diesel only refinery. You cannot just convert crude into diesel, there are lighter and heavier products that come out of that process.

'A couple products being produced. (LPG/UCO/ULSD, etc)
ULSD is targeted though (about 50%)

you can view some of the details in the application package. It also might mention some gasification details/CO2 recovery. (I didn't check)

http://www.nwrpartnership.com/public-notice

around page ..4 is the mass balance

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by roopi


Pump prices go down? Impossible.

If this is a government operation that doesn't generate profits. I can see it driving down prices.

Just like how the big 3 telecoms can offer cheap cell plans wherever a government telecom is operating in the region.

[Milk2%]

Originally posted by Xtrema


If this is a government operation that doesn't generate profits. I can see it driving down prices.

Just like how the big 3 telecoms can offer cheap cell plans wherever a government telecom is operating in the region.

WOW.....wow to this thread. Wow to how dumb TOMA is. Aliens are going to be attacking soon watch out dumbass

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Milk2%


WOW.....wow to this thread. Wow to how dumb TOMA is. Aliens are going to be attacking soon watch out dumbass

Tell us more why this is a bad thing rather than resorting to name calling.

We all know from a profit/operation cost angle that it will be more than likely negative. But most government projects' benefit is usually hard to measure anyway.

Like how do you measure the economic impact of good flowing highways? Or a great water treatment system? Or irrigation systems?

There are other projects that private sector won't touch. I think refineries is one of them because it's a loser fiscally but may become a greater good.

[r3ccOs]

just more cars on the road, to allow for checkstops, that cause accidents and ultimately DEATH, that is the result of the NDP supporting more refineries

[ExtraSlow]

Not sure how anyone thinks it's a good thing to use tax dollars to support the construction of a refinery that no profit-seeking business would want to undertake.

I get that having a diversified tax base makes sense, but spending tax money to make tax money seems insane.