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[ExtraSlow]

You guys sure edumacated me on Tesla hardware upgrades.

[rc2002]

Would the average person be able to spot the hardware updates? To me, the Model S doesn’t look like it’s changed since 2012.

I think the badge and the exterior design are the biggest distinctions for most people. Most people probably wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between a BMW 330 vs 340 vs M3 if there was no lettering on the trunk.

[ExtraSlow]

Exactly. A debaged ZR2 looks like a basic Colorado.

[The_Rural_Juror]

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Would the average person be able to spot the hardware updates? To me, the Model S doesn’t look like it’s changed since 2012.

I think the badge and the exterior design are the biggest distinctions for most people. Most people probably wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between a BMW 330 vs 340 vs M3 if there was no lettering on the trunk.

Model S and X are definitely due for an update, but their focus is on making affordable vehicles so the updates have been put on the backburner. The expensive vehicles allowed them to fund the development of the more affordable vehicles. Same strategy Lucid is looking to us. I would think that there would be updates before Plaid is in production. There's a lot happening, including development of a $25k USD vehicle, so I don't blame them for being slow on updating their lower volume vehicles.

In the next 3 years, they have these projects:

Updates: Model S, X + Plaid versions of these vehicles
New Vehicles: Semi, Cybertruck (+ smaller version), $25K car designed in China, a European designed car, ATV, Roadster 2, + likely Bus/Van
Factories: China Phase 2, Berlin, Austin, + likely India, + likely Ohio, + expansion of these factories to produce batteries, + expansion of giga 1 and 2
Software: Full Self Drive (limited beta in 2-4 weeks to limited testers), whatever new features they come up with
Battery: 3 different formulations, electrode dry coating, tabless construction
HVAC: Home HVAC based off what they developed for Tesla and SpaceX
Solar: Powerwall + Solar Roof 3
Other stuff: wiring substructure, laser windshield wipers (for real), moar casting, state of the art paint in Berlin, stuff we don't know about.

They've got a lot on their plate. Another thing to note is that they recently slashed prices in China due to cheaper costs and tariff savings - so they are clearly not after large margins.

[benyl]

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You will always have an inferior version of Tesla, doesn't matter when you bought it. Kinda like buying a TV. They don't stick to 3/3 MMC/FMC of traditional car makers.

Not always true.

My 2019 September build didn’t get the included garage door opener or the front trunk mat that the earlier 2019s got. I think really early 2019s also got the 14-50 adaptor included.

My 2020 December 2019 build, built 2.5 months later lots the grocery hooks and pocket door lights. It also was $1K more.

I think the latest 2020s don’t come with floor mats, but come with the wireless charger and USB-C ports. Shit is always changing, not necessarily always for the better.

[benyl]

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Updates: Model S Plaid versions of these vehicles
New Vehicles: Semi, Cybertruck (+ smaller version), $25K car designed in China

The Plaid and the $25K will get the new battery tech announced last month with the structural battery tray. The Model Y built in Europe will also get that battery tech and likely the one piece casting rear and front ends.

The Cybertruck should get the new battery. That is likely the only way they will get 800km range on the Tri-motor.

Toma drank the Kool-aid early when most of this shit was vapourware, but I can now see how Tesla tech is going to be hard to compete with. I think VW and the like have admitted as much.

[The_Rural_Juror]

$25K will get the cheaper Lithium Iron Phosphate battery because the target market are urban dwellers in large cities where cost is more important than range, and it's a much smaller vehicle. The Model 3 SR+ in China recently switched to those batteries - reducing costs. The full nickel batteries are going into the Plaid S/CyberTruck and Roadster. Those are more expensive to produce.

Model 3 got a slight refresh today with an additional 31 miles added to range (322 to 353), new wheel selection, powered trunk lid, de-chrome, and some interior changes. They will likely get the Octovalve + Heat Pump sometime in the next few months.

I wonder where Toma is now? He's the perfect amount of crazy/mad scientist.

[benyl]

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I wonder where Toma is now? He's the perfect amount of crazy/mad scientist.

Premium connectivity is free for Canadians. I was going to subscribe this morning as mine was set to expire today (fuck, it already been a year since I picked up my car). Can't subscribe.

Likely a glitch, but I am hoping not.

I saw Toma post on a Canadian Model 3 facebook group, but the post got shutdown because he didn't search. lol

[The_Rural_Juror]

Nice summary from u/RiptideNF77 in USD.

Range Increases:

Model 3 Standard Range+ : 250 miles --> 263 miles (13 mile increase)

Model 3 Long Range: 322 miles --> 353 miles (31 mile increase)

Model 3 Performance: 299 miles --> 315 miles (16 mile increase)



Model Y Dual Motor: 316 miles --> 325 miles (9 mile increase)

Model Y Performance: 291 miles --> 303 miles (12 mile increase)



Model X Performance: 305 miles --> 341 miles (36 mile increase)

Model X Long Range: 351 miles --> 371 miles (20 mile increase)

Model S Performance: 348 miles --> 387 miles (39 mile increase)

Model S Long Range: No Increase kept at 402 miles* (but $5,500 price cut)



Notable Price Drops:

1). Model S Long Range dropped from $75,000 to $69420 (Roughly $5,500 saved)

2). Model S Performance dropped from $95,000 to $92,000 ($3,000 saved)

3). Model 3 Australia got a $7,000 price cut to adjust for currency

4). Model 3 Norway got a 8% price drop



Additional Notes:

1). Model 3 Performance also got a bit faster. 3.2 seconds to 3.1 seconds (0-60)

2). Model 3 is now chrome-delete exterior and has an interior upgrade

3). Heat Pump has been suspected for Model 3 but not confirmed

[benyl]

I just want the power trunk. Hope they offer the ability to retrofit.

Wonder what is getting the additional range in the new cars (heat pump likely).

Doesn't explain the faster performance models.

[benyl]

So it looks like they added horsepower again in the 2020.40 release. Acceleration boost for existing cars show 0-60mph down to 3.7 from 3.9 seconds for the LR AWD. Model Y got similar updates.

I think if you take an updated performance car, with light 18" wheels and tires with 95% charge, getting sub 3.0sec 0-100 km/h will be easy now. The stock 20s are so heavy.

[killramos]

Are they ever going to make a car that isn’t hideous?

Asking for SKR

[benyl]

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Are they ever going to make a car that isn’t hideous?

Asking for SKR

ask Franz.

[killramos]

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ask Franz.

The original roadster wasn’t terrible looking. Likely because buddy had nothing to do with it.

[benyl]

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The original roadster wasn’t terrible looking. Likely because buddy had nothing to do with it.

That's cause it was a Lotus Elise.

[killramos]

I was trying to be funny...

[The_Rural_Juror]

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I was trying to be funny...

I laffed.

[SR54RNR]

Joined the club recently, picked up a Y long range with full self driving.
It’s a bit of a shock, how different everything is, but I’m liking it more every day.

[The_Rural_Juror]

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Joined the club recently, picked up a Y long range with full self driving.
It’s a bit of a shock, how different everything is, but I’m liking it more every day.

Noice. Another '08 in the wild !

[SR54RNR]

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Noice. Another '08 in the wild !

Wat