Bad example. BMW peaked at least a decade later.
Bad example. BMW peaked at least a decade later.
Originally posted by Thales of Miletus
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Originally posted by Toma
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The Honda/BMW parallel is pretty interesting that way.
I don't see the parallels. Honda killed off all their enthusiast cars last decade. They only recently realized that having a car like the Civic Type R brings younger demographic traffic into the dealership which is why they are likely bringing back the Integra. BMW hasn't killed any performance models and has added the M2.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Both brands were at the top of their game 15 - 25 years ago. Now they are laggards in every market except a few niches here and there.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I thought the s2000 was desinged to replaced the prelude and del sol...the Del Sol was a classic tho.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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I believe there was a certain 6-6 vehicle in the line up somewhat recently.
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Looks like will replace the iLX ?
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The entire lineup was made of cars with great driving dynamics/experience up until the 2000s. Now most of the lineup is "meh" from that perspective (according to pretty much every journalist, anyways), with only a couple exceptions. And that's not even talking about the design/looks, which are polarizing at best.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
With the exception of maybe the M2 against its competitors because of RWD, the BMW is largely full of cars that are uninspired, or relatively vanilla compared to competitors. Or just boring and crappy. And ugly.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Bmw is an SUV company that sells very few cars in North America. Same as Porsche.
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The TLX Type S is the best summary of what Honda/Acura are all about these days. Sounds amazing on paper, "TYPE S!!!" *fanboys screaming*, V6TT, DCT, SH-AWD etc... Turns out to be a dud, heavy as shit, relatively slow, and more in line with the 2.0T competitors.
So… kind of like BMW
Originally posted by Thales of Miletus
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Originally posted by Toma
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At least Porsche still builds segment leaders in nearly every category they have a model in.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Like others have said, it's very hard to name a BMW that's the most compelling product in its segment.
Audi doesn't build a single vehicle that is best in segment. They never have. They have always built middle of the road vehicles that do everything well and nothing great. Mercedes doesn't really have much in the way of exciting vehicles outside of some AMG's and now they are dropping the V8's it's kind of bleak really if you are an enthusiast. I just don't see where BMW is lagging behind those two brands at all as they still build the best performers in their class and their sales have never been better. This site is heavily biased towards MB which makes sense given the the aging of most long term members. Still not all of us want Grandpa's luxury vehicle.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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It's why my interest in cars is at an all time low.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Is your bicycle fleet worth more than your car fleet yet?
Originally posted by Thales of Miletus
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Originally posted by Toma
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No, but I find my new bike far more exciting than most cars I could go buy right now.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Not sure where that's coming from because I didn't say anything about Audis, and neither did the post I was responding to.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I've said this before (in more relevant threads), but I'm hard pressed to choose BMW in any segment that I care about. The exception being the M5, but the comparable E is last gen and without knowing anything about it, I'm confident I'd choose the new E63 over the M5.
To be clear, I've owned far more BMWs than MBs over the years, like a 4:1 ratio. And I'm not really looking at any BMWs or MBs right now, but as a car guy, I can't help but play the hypothetical "which one" game, and I just don't find myself choosing BMW very often at all...
I like the current M5
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