D16A6 Non-Vtec turbo Build.

[..*JDM Hatch*..]

Going to start building a turbo D16A6 non-vtec.

any suggestions on best internals to use.(Pistons,rods,crank,head,etc.)

injector size.(i know their is going to be alot of comments on how stupid i am for this.but i am looking to run 2.bar of boost=28PSI)

Not sure what to run for CP ratio for pstons.8.0:1 CR??? not sure.

fuel system suggestions,cooling,Tuning.
What turbo should i run,any suggestions on size that would be best for my motor.

was thinking about running a Hondata S300,but not too sure.

any help and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Talk to sentry , he's the shit
and ue Gunna need to build pretty good forb2 bar

[Sentry]

What kinda power you looking to make? 300? 400?

And what are you looking to spend?

Answer those and I'll give you a reply.

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Originally posted by Sentry
What kinda power you looking to make? 300? 400?

And what are you looking to spend?

Answer those and I'll give you a reply.

knew you would post right after me
SENTRY TO THE WIN

[..*JDM Hatch*..]

looking to make about 400hp.and as for price.looking to spend what ever i have to spend in order to have a 400hp turbo D-series.

[T-Dubbs]

400whp?
lol
get out your wallet

[TYPERAWR]

Originally posted by T-Dubbs
400whp?
lol
get out your wallet

Sorry Tdubbs no wallet needed, d series isnt like those slow exspensive nazi made Audis.
400 WHP is a very reasonable number to make on a cheap built D.
Maybe do some fucking research before you post in here again faggit!

[TYPERAWR]

Thats right i am loling at you.

[TYPERAWR]

Just posted these in our dyno vault. Wanted to post these up for everyone to see

Bisimoto 3.6 cam

D16Z6
Bisimoto Level 3.6 cam
Bisimoto Valvesprings and Titanium retainers
Portflow head
Supertech valves
Arias 9:1 pistons
Bisimoto D16 spec rods
Bisimoto prototype top mount Manifold
Turbonetics GT-K 650
2.5" piping
3" downpipe + exhaust
91 octane
AEM EMS 1040
18 PSI
450whp at 293 wft/lbs of torque, with a very lopey idle



D16Z6 head
Bisimoto Cam Gear
Bisimoto Pro Springs and Titanium retainers
Bisimoto Level 3.6 camshaft
Supertech Stainless Steel intake valves
Supertech Inconel Exhaust valves
Golden Eagle Head gasket
D16Z6 engine
Arias 9:1, 75.5mm pistons
Golden eagle sleeves
Bisimoto Spec H-beam steel Rods
Honda Bearings
Stock Ported Oil pump
Bisimoto/Evolution Sandwich plate
K&N Oil filter
Bisimoto heat shielding gasket
Golden Eagle Intake manifold
Skunk 2 68mm throttle body
T1 1000cc Injector dynamics squirters
AEM Fuel rail
AEM Fuel pressure regulator
AEM fuel pressure gauge
-6AN fuel lines
Stock return lines
AEM Water Meth kit (for super high boost!)
Kinsler Monster Mesh fuel filter
AEM 6040 Gen 2 EMS
AEM UEGO
AEM Twin fire
AEM COP EPM
AEM pencil Coils
AEM Serial Gauge (this is so sick!)
AEM boost control solenoid
AEM 5 bar map sensor
MSD digital Boost-a-pump pn 2351
Power XS S680 Battery
Rywire mil-spec wiring
Bisimoto-Turbonetics BTX6565
Bisimoto Prototype top mount twin scroll manifold, ceramic coated
Turbonetics RG-45 wastegate
Turbonetics Godzilla BOV
3" Intercooler piping
Turbonetics/Spearco 5-364 (3.5"x10.5"x28" wide..and yes, we made it fit!)
-3an oil feed line
-10an oil return
Burns Stainless 3.5" 2-stage muffler
3.5" aluminum exhaust system


708whp and 487 ft/lbs on 91 octane + 50/50% water methanol
724 and 500 ft/lbs on Torco 100 octane + 50/50% water methanol


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517 pages of turbo d setups

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread...light=d16+dyno

[Mr_ET]

Any turbo motor making 400whp when it wasn't designed to do so is going to be fairly expensive.

The fuel setup is going to be fairly expensive and so will the turbo, manifold and downpipe setup.

Rods and pistons aren't usually a ton of money.

You might be able to get away with some i beam rods and vitaras but that is pushing it at that level.

I would expect to spend between 2-3k in a motor build unless you buy cheap parts and can assemble it yourself.

The turbo setup will run you another 4-5k and probably another 1.5K for fuel management and tuning.

If that makes sense to you, I would look at full-race, peakboost and possible evans tuning.

They all have very good turbo kits that can make that power.

As far as the engine build, I used Precise and though they looked like they did a good job, I have been underwhelmed with the overall power produced on my build as well as the oil consumption I was not expecting from a brand new motor that was broken in properly.

[Sentry]

Originally posted by ..*JDM Hatch*..
looking to make about 400hp.and as for price.looking to spend what ever i have to spend in order to have a 400hp turbo D-series.

It'd probably be 4-5 grand in total.

FJ bottom end kit $600
ARP headstuds $100
Delta 272 or Colt Tri-flow cam $250
Supertech springs and retainers $300
GM 3bar MAP sensor $70
socketed P28 $100
ebay intercooler, charge pipe kit, and BOV $300
Autoworks manifold/dump/downpipe $600
Tial wastegate $240
T3 50 trim $600
Autoworks oil line kit $100
Injector Dynamics or Precise 1000cc injectors $400
Walbro 255lph fuel pump $100
LSD or Competition 6 puck sprung clutch $300
Dyno tuning $300-450

Exoect to spend another couple hundred bucks on other random bullshit, trips to the hardware store, etc.

[Sentry]

Also if you can find a good deal on used parts I advise you buy em. You can save some real dough. I got an alright price on the turbo, injectors, block, and parts pile, and I gotta say a killer deal on the head.

Here's what I spent on my current build, looking to make 300+ on it.

Bought:
GT2860RS		700
Silicone reducer	 30
Walbro 255lph LP	120
Block adapter		 50
Oil line kit		100
-3AN Restrictor		 20
Denso 720cc		200
Competition Clutch	330
FJ Superkit		650
ARP Headstuds		120
Xenocron Basemap	 40
Magnetic Drain Plugs	 30
(8) NGK BKR7ES-11	 30
Cast Mani		160
Fresh A6 and parts	300
Built D15B Head		440
Hardware		30

Sold:
Old turbo		400
Oil pump		 30

To buy:
Downpipe		300
Dyno Tuning 		300

Bear in mind the block I got had bores that were in spec and a crank that was in spec, so I opted against having any machine work done. If the block you choose for you build is worn excessively you might have to spend a couple hundred bucks at Precise.

[gretz]

Originally posted by Mr_ET


As far as the engine build, I used Precise and though they looked like they did a good job, I have been underwhelmed with the overall power produced on my build as well as the oil consumption I was not expecting from a brand new motor that was broken in properly.

-1 for Precise in my books... between your motor, and 2 other $7500+ builds i personally know of... I have seen things from;
-super excessive crankcase pressure
- blowing out seals
- stripped ATi damper and crankshaft keyway
- a broken timing belt, followed by a built Supertech valvetrain (built by them grenading itself)
- The Supertech head was rebuilt by them with ferrera valves - broke another timing belt
-a 12:1 compression 2.3L (ish), fully built, LS VTEC - portmatched head / mani - skunk2 valvetrain/retainers/springs + bc stage3 cams... making only 145whp and losing power after 7400rpm...

... there are a few other horror stories, mabey they just don't like Hondas lol...

^^ just some fyi for you if you are looking to get a shop to build the motor... With a d-series, a $10000 dollar budget would be fairly suffiecient number, judging you want to drive the car around and not just down the track...

[T-Dubbs]

Originally posted by T-Dubbs
400whp?
lol
get out your wallet

Originally posted by TYPERAWR



Sorry Tdubbs no wallet needed, d series isnt like those slow exspensive nazi made Audis.
400 WHP is a very reasonable number to make on a cheap built D.
Maybe do some fucking research before you post in here again faggit!

i guess, for some reason you think builds are free?

[..*JDM Hatch*..]

Shit,thanks a bunch guys.you all have helped ALOT more than i was expecting in the first place.As for this build...it is going to be a hell of a lot cheaper than i originaly thought.

i'll post up some pics of parts and the build process when it's that time.

Thanks Beyond.

[Ymerej472008]

Its one thing to make 400 "cheap" whp and its another to make
400 "reliable" whp.
Just remember when building..... Cheap shit ain't good and good shit ain't cheap.

This is where I had my bottom end done. Ive heard ZERO negative feedback from them.
I'll see how mine holds up soon!
http://laskeyracing.com/shop/dseries.htm

[Sentry]

Except the Vitara pistons and FJ rods ARE good.

They've been taken to 600whp/mid 9 second passes at 150+ mph with stock 75mm bore and stock sleeves.

So for 99% of turbo D series builds? They'll suffice.

[..*JDM Hatch*..]

Its one thing to make 400 "cheap" whp and its another to make
400 "reliable" whp.


their is no way that you are making a reliable 400+WHP civic.
pushing 400+ is just asking for problems.

[..*JDM Hatch*..]

Another question.

Which turbo to buy.I can't find any so far that are good for 28 PSI boost. the most i am finding in Turbonetics are 22 PSI max.

any help?

[gretz]

The amount of boost a turbo can produce has little to do on how much hp you will make... The flow is what you are looking for...

15lbs on a t25 will not make anywhere near the same power as a gt35 @ the same boost pressure...

A GT35R will get you to 400whp