Calgary Flames New Arena Update

[you&me]

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Eventually, when it becomes the battel of who has the better stadium. We can always say we got Edmonton to pay for it.

Rogers Place opened in 2016, so when our arena is finally built, it will be at least 10 years newer... I hope we have the better barn.

[msommers]

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Rogers Place opened in 2016, so when our arena is finally built, it will be at least 10 years newer... I hope we have the better barn.

Question: How many blue rings would it take?

[sexualbanana]

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Which is fine.
The Flames hold the stick.
Do you want a professional sports team or not?
No? They will move to a market willing to use public funds.

I'm curious to see which markets they would consider moving to since Vegas and Seattle both got teams.

Quebec City feels like a tough sell because a) East team, so they'll need to reconference again to balance it; and b)The market size is half of Calgary (metro area about 60%), plus I imagine the Canadiens and Maple Leafs will fight tooth and nail to avoid fracturing their existing market - possibly part of the reason why Winnipeg got their team back before they did.

I've heard Kansas City, MS, and Houston are options, which I suppose is viable, but I think moving another Canadian city is going to piss off a lot of people. I think even Bettman knows that moving another Canadian team south is a bad idea. Especially if it means losing the 5th biggest metro area in Canada (there is a sharp drop off from #6 Edmonton to #7 Quebec City). At best, it's a short-term gain with detrimental long-term effects.

In all likelihood, the latter two teams are more likely candidates for expansion than re-location.

[pheoxs]

The coyotes are playing in a 5k person college arena. Anyone thinking the Flames could actually be moved over an arena deal is delusional.

[DonJuan]

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I'm curious to see which markets they would consider moving to since Vegas and Seattle both got teams.

Quebec City feels like a tough sell because a) East team, so they'll need to reconference again to balance it; and b)The market size is half of Calgary (metro area about 60%), plus I imagine the Canadiens and Maple Leafs will fight tooth and nail to avoid fracturing their existing market - possibly part of the reason why Winnipeg got their team back before they did.

I've heard Kansas City, MS, and Houston are options, which I suppose is viable, but I think moving another Canadian city is going to piss off a lot of people. I think even Bettman knows that moving another Canadian team south is a bad idea. Especially if it means losing the 5th biggest metro area in Canada (there is a sharp drop off from #6 Edmonton to #7 Quebec City). At best, it's a short-term gain with detrimental long-term effects.

In all likelihood, the latter two teams are more likely candidates for expansion than re-location.

Phoenix needs a team - Bettman (probably)

[Thaco]

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Fuck the flames, lets kick em out and have a downtown like Regina amirite

Downtowns are over, the sooner people recognize this the better. All the offices are moving out or just closing for WFH. Technology can emulate face to face and it's only getting more advanced.

[vengie]

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I'm curious to see which markets they would consider moving to since Vegas and Seattle both got teams.

Quebec City feels like a tough sell because a) East team, so they'll need to reconference again to balance it; and b)The market size is half of Calgary (metro area about 60%), plus I imagine the Canadiens and Maple Leafs will fight tooth and nail to avoid fracturing their existing market - possibly part of the reason why Winnipeg got their team back before they did.

I've heard Kansas City, MS, and Houston are options, which I suppose is viable, but I think moving another Canadian city is going to piss off a lot of people. I think even Bettman knows that moving another Canadian team south is a bad idea. Especially if it means losing the 5th biggest metro area in Canada (there is a sharp drop off from #6 Edmonton to #7 Quebec City). At best, it's a short-term gain with detrimental long-term effects.

In all likelihood, the latter two teams are more likely candidates for expansion than re-location.

Bettman goes where the money is.

Atlanta, Houston, Quebec City.

Many cities are looking for a new team.

[ExtraSlow]

Houston pretty must needs a team. Insane there isn't one already.

[rage2]

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I can't say I've been to edmontons ice district much outside of an oiler game or two, but it sure looks pretty revitalized to me.

Ice district is dead outside of game days. Even the wwe event it was dead before, then everyone left afterwards. I was just there a couple weekends ago (our event was at the convention center) and ice district was empty.

[suntan]

"Hey let's hang out by this fucking concrete monstrosity" - said no one ever.

[Buster]

If it's a choice between having a team and giving half a billion to Murray Fucking Edwards, let me know where the goodbye party is.

[HHURICANE1]

The cost they are spouting is complete pie-in-the-sky bullshit. They don't even have any real plans for this monstrosity yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up costing any less than $2 billion. This is government at work. Cost over runs are the order of the day. Rarely does anything government fund costs less than double the predicted price.

[ExtraSlow]

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The cost they are spouting is complete pie-in-the-sky bullshit. They don't even have any real plans for this monstrosity yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up costing any less the $2 billion. This is government at work. Cost over runs are the order of the day. Rarely does anything government fund costs less than double the predicted price.

Quoted for truth. The project is very complicated, it will have major overruns. Is the province on the hook for overruns n the infrastructure? Because that part will have overruns.

[Thaco]

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Quoted for truth. The project is very complicated, it will have major overruns. Is the province on the hook for overruns n the infrastructure? Because that part will have overruns.

that's the secret to govt work, bid low, overrun high, that's where you make the real money.

[Buster]

The only way this works is if SNC builds it.

[suntan]

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The only way this works is if SNC builds it.

Merde.

[riander5]

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Ice district is dead outside of game days. Even the wwe event it was dead before, then everyone left afterwards. I was just there a couple weekends ago (our event was at the convention center) and ice district was empty.

I'll see myself out.

[kertejud2]

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Quoted for truth. The project is very complicated, it will have major overruns. Is the province on the hook for overruns n the infrastructure? Because that part will have overruns.

Based on the FAQ on the Flames website it’s back to the pre-renegotiated deal where the city and CSEC split cost overruns. Unclear now but that deal also had the caveat that overruns that were the result of one party’s desire was all theirs. I’d imagine this one would be the same.

What caused them to walk away from the previous deal was that they agreed to pay all cost overruns in exchange for switching project managers. So now we are back to the original deal, but worse.

[jutes]

Where would be better locations other than DT? Can you attach an arena to a terminal at YYC, perhaps the Westjet hangar.

[Tik-Tok]

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Where would be better locations other than DT?

Saskatoon work for me.