Alberta TSA.....Philz, care to clarify?

[C_Dave45]

Alright all you search hounds...see if you can find the section or act that clarifies this situation:

Divided highway. Unmarked, connecting roadway between the two. When two opposing cars are each making a left turn, how do you proceed?

ie: For example, this intersection (McLeod and RR 220):

https://goo.gl/maps/NVn3vu2ZvQB2
*edit: Lets just print this streetview so there's no misunderstanding:


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How would you treat it? Like the right or the left diagram:


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*edit*
unofficial polling results are 9-4 for the "Right".

[86max]

Good question, I often use that intersection and always assume it's like the diagram on the right but I could be wrong.

[jwslam]

Left. Because of the potential for line-ups.
If you line up cars in the right diagram, nobody will be moving ever.

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by 86max
Good question, I often use that intersection and always assume it's like the diagram on the right but I could be wrong.

Originally posted by jwslam
Left. Because of the potential for line-ups.
If you line up cars in the right diagram, nobody will be moving ever.

LOL...we should make a poll. BTW, I received an answer from CPS, albeit quite ambiguous, but I'm still trying to find a specific act that would clarify it.

As to jwslam's answer...so if you kept to the oncoming car's passenger side (left diagram) what would the cars that wanted to cross the highway from the east-west roads do? Move over to the left hand side of the connecting road, and then back to the right when entering on the other side??

[JustinMCS]

I would say left image - because when you turn left like that at a traffic light you don't go around the person opposite you. But I might be wrong.

Originally posted by C_Dave45

As to jwslam's answer...so if you kept to the oncoming car's passenger side (left diagram) what would the cars that wanted to cross the highway from the east-west roads do? Move over to the left hand side of the connecting road?

No, they would have to wait for the intersection to clear first.

[dirtsniffer]

Diagram on the right. Follows traffic pattern for people going straight across the highway and allows better visibility for drivers turning to see oncoming traffic.

[BlackArcher101]

Right, because it's the only way each car trying to turn has proper visibility. Otherwise with the left, the cars turning will block each other from seeing traffic leading to a very dangerous game of guess if it's clear.

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by JustinMCS
I would say left image - because when you turn left like that at a traffic light you don't go around the person opposite you. But I might be wrong.



No, they would have to wait for the intersection to clear first.

So what if a crossing car was already in that connecting roadway? Where does he sit? Left side or right side? What do the two opposing left-turn drivers then do? Wait? Whoever gets there first determines what side of the road you should be on??

This isn't a city street, remember...take a look at the google street view. This is highway in rural areas.

[max_boost]

Left. That's how I turn at every intersection. What am I missing here???

[jwslam]

Originally posted by C_Dave45
As to jwslam's answer...so if you kept to the oncoming car's passenger side (left diagram) what would the cars that wanted to cross the highway from the east-west roads do? Move over to the left hand side of the connecting road, and then back to the right when entering on the other side??

Well they shouldn't be going through the intersection while you're turning anyways! They're waiting at a stop sign...

edit: I see justin got my back

[drtoohotty1]

I see this everyday as I pass by on 1A from Cochrane to Calgary, majority of the time I see people following the diagram on the right

[snowcat]

Ban intersections.

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by max_boost
Left. That's how I turn at every intersection. What am I missing here???

Even rural ones like at McLeod and RR220?

What happens when there is already cross traffic in that connecting roadway? Then you switch to keep on the RIGHT hand side?

It's either treated as a roadway, or it's not. You can't switch it up according to who's there first!!

Same intersection:


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[max_boost]

^^^

Well in that case I play it by year.

[94boosted]

Originally posted by BlackArcher101
Right, because it's the only way each car trying to turn has proper visibility. Otherwise with the left, the cars turning will block each other from seeing traffic leading to a very dangerous game of guess if it's clear.

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by max_boost
^^^

Well in that case I play it by year.

ROFL

[revelations]

Left - would appear suitable for ONE WAY traffic ony

Right - we drive on the right hand side of traffic. If someone was going STRAIGHT THROUGH they would stick to the right as well.

[Skrilla]

I run into this every day coming off the transcanada. I always use left diagram

[C_Dave45]

This is all I've gotten from CPS so far:

@CalgaryPolice Two opposing cars turning left, divided hiway how do they proceed? Like this: http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/905/3fTqj0.jpg …

Calgary Police ‏@CalgaryPolice Oct 25
@TileguyDave Yes that is correct.

@CalgaryPolice ....Or like this: http://i.imgur.com/rT7y45P.png

@CalgaryPolice What would happen then here: https://goo.gl/maps/pHHgsDs53Nt …
Car crossing highway, if in the intersection would be facing oncoming.

Calgary Police ‏@CalgaryPolice Oct 25
@TileguyDave A highway would differ from an urban area. The section in between directions of travel should be treated as its own roadway.

Still haven't seen anything from the TSA pertaining to such though.

[JaffX]

The one on the right makes the most sense, but if no one's around I do the one on the left lol