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    Quote Originally Posted by A790 View Post
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    FTTH is going to be more or less obsolete for residential/light commercial applications very shortly. Tech like 802.11 ax, 60GHZ last-mile wireless, and the like offer faster connections than wired with far less infrastructure required.
    Can 60ghz even penetrate a building though? Unless every building is going to have radio towers on their roofs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
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    Can 60ghz even penetrate a building though? Unless every building is going to have radio towers on their roofs.
    That is just one example of wireless last-mile tech that is currently being deployed. It runs as a mesh network to provide high-speed from distribution nodes, and then tech like 802.11 ax provides the endpoint connectivity.

    So think: fiber infrastructure serves as the backbone, which provides multi-gigabit bandwidth to 60GHZ mesh networks/disti nodes (could be for an office complex, community, condo building, office tower... whatever) that provide endpoint connectivity via Wifi 6/6e.

    Facebook's Terragraph has a good visualization of it about halfway down the page: https://terragraph.com/

    The network tech is now being rolled out. There are some big announcements coming from networking companies I am working with in September that will show off consumer-level tech that takes advantage of the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A790 View Post
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    FTTH is going to be more or less obsolete for residential/light commercial applications very shortly. Tech like 802.11 ax, 60GHZ last-mile wireless, and the like offer faster connections than wired with far less infrastructure required.
    "very shortly" = 15+ years.
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    What's the latency like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenny View Post
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    "very shortly" = 15+ years.
    Nope. APs and the like are being rolled out by vendors in Q4 2020/Q1 2021. I can't see how it will take 15+ years to deploy what is increasingly mature tech.

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    What's the latency like?
    Lower than wired.

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    That sounds awesome

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    I think for anyone looking for a solution in Calgary in 2020, they should probably not worry about any technology that's not already available in Calgary in 2020.

    There's some cool connectivity tech coming down the pipe, but regardless of it taking 6 months, 6 years, or longer, it's simply not available today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    I think for anyone looking for a solution in Calgary in 2020, they should probably not worry about any technology that's not already available in Calgary in 2020.

    There's some cool connectivity tech coming down the pipe, but regardless of it taking 6 months, 6 years, or longer, it's simply not available today.
    I mean, obviously. All I'm saying is that having all of AB FTTH by 2025 seems like an expensive and fruitless investment given tech that is currently available and available within the next 6-12 months.

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    They promised us WiMax 15 years ago.

    Just saying... last mile wireless has been around forever. Hell we use it at the office in Calgary and India, had the India circuit installed in '09. It's temperamental and susceptible to issues ranging from weather to sunspots.

    I dunno how wifi 6 plays into this as last mile, as it's pretty short range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    They promised us WiMax 15 years ago.

    Just saying... last mile wireless has been around forever. Hell we use it at the office in Calgary and India, had the India circuit installed in '09. It's temperamental and susceptible to issues ranging from weather to sunspots.

    I dunno how wifi 6 plays into this as last mile, as it's pretty short range.
    Not to mention even if 60ghz can push ~2gbps (estimate of its real world throughput) that isn't very much if you are connecting an entire block of houses, especially medium density ones. A pair of townhouse and some houses in a block and you've got 20+ nodes to share that bandwidth. Years ago Shaw internet was trash because every evening it would grind to a halt as your neighbor node got saturated. It's just gonna be that all over again unless they deploy a ton of antennas which just means more expensive hardware and higher consumer prices.
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    Wired will always be more reliable, regardless of tech one would think. I got a sweet Cisco 3800 Wireless-AC access point at home, and my home network goes temperamental every time my microwave runs, and that's with an enterprise grade AP with a bunch of built-in capabilities to avoid interference and such.

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    These comments sound very similar to conversations re: electric cars as recent as a few years ago.

    Maybe I have an optimistic view given my exposure to the tech/companies behind it. I suppose we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eblend View Post
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    Wired will always be more reliable, regardless of tech one would think. I got a sweet Cisco 3800 Wireless-AC access point at home, and my home network goes temperamental every time my microwave runs, and that's with an enterprise grade AP with a bunch of built-in capabilities to avoid interference and such.
    I remember a few years ago, installed a WAP at a client site, about to leave and the wireless dropped, went hmm. Checked everything out, decided it was a one off, packed up then it dropped again, tested tested tested, checked the controller, everything looked fine. Went into the room where the WAP was installed just as an elevator went by, found out that room backed onto the elevator shaft and caused so much interference that it killed the wireless every time it went up or down, it wasn't a small room either
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    Telus tech no showed me today. Was supposed to be here between 9am and 11am. Didn't get a phone call from the tech but I did get one from Telus right at 11am. They wanted to see if the tech showed up or called. I told them I got nothing. Told him it wasn't a huge deal but I can't just sit around here waiting for no one to show.

    Edit: He showed. All good. Came all the way from Edmonton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 16hypen3sp View Post
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    Telus tech no showed me today. Was supposed to be here between 9am and 11am. Didn't get a phone call from the tech but I did get one from Telus right at 11am. They wanted to see if the tech showed up or called. I told them I got nothing. Told him it wasn't a huge deal but I can't just sit around here waiting for no one to show.

    Edit: He showed. All good. Came all the way from Edmonton.
    And your FTTH, fast up and down? Ping times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedog View Post
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    And your FTTH, fast up and down? Ping times?
    I have had FTTH for about 5 years now. Great service. I had the 150/150 for a long time. I always had 8 ping, 175 down, 150 up.

    I wanted the 750 service but the modem I had needed to be replaced. He replaced it and now I get 7 ping, 600 down, 400 up. Full 750 if I go wired. Pretty sweet!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 16hypen3sp View Post
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    I have had FTTH for about 5 years now. Great service. I had the 150/150 for a long time. I always had 8 ping, 175 down, 150 up.

    I wanted the 750 service but the modem I had needed to be replaced. He replaced it and now I get 7 ping, 600 down, 400 up. Full 750 if I go wired. Pretty sweet!!
    Your ping times look really slow...I get 2ms maximum, usually 1.

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    Your ping times look really slow...I get 2ms maximum, usually 1.
    I agree, they should be reporting 0-1ms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eblend View Post
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    Your ping times look really slow...I get 2ms maximum, usually 1.
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    I agree, they should be reporting 0-1ms.
    Never, ever seen it below 5.

    Edit: Just ran another speedtest using the Killer Wifi app on my computer and got 6 ping and 1 jitter.

    6 is the lowest I've ever gotten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 16hypen3sp View Post
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    Never, ever seen it below 5.

    Edit: Just ran another speedtest using the Killer Wifi app on my computer and got 6 ping and 1 jitter.

    6 is the lowest I've ever gotten.
    Probably b/c wireless. Hardwired helps reduce the ping
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