Official Genesis thread. WAS:2019 Hyundai G70

[Tik-Tok]

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I think he drives a Q5

Also a Fiesta ST (or Focus, can't recall)

[blownz]

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Looking at Auotrader right now. I'm sure I could get a loaded red sport AWD from Infinity for high 40s for sure. Pretty good deal I think. I'm not feeling this G70. The Infinity looks waaaay better inside and out. Plus its Hyundai.... I mean.

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http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/infiniti...200N7&sprx=100
That one I'm sure you can get for 44 - 45k, its brand new and a 2018

If you can get a brand new 2018 Infiniti for $11-12K off of MSRP then it is worse than the American manufacturers and must be a POS.

And that is not a "loaded" model. That is the MSRP of a base red sport. Loaded is over $61K

[dirtsniffer]

not having to deal with kia service is worth the $5k, lol.

[Xtrema]

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I am personally surprised that the loaded G70 is about $5K more than a loaded Stinger GT. I thought they would be priced closer. I am interested in looking closer at both of them as imo they are two of the most interesting new cars on the market right now.

Consider you have different experience, loaners, and probably at least 5 scheduled services included. That at min should worth able $1500.

I'm willing to give Genesis a try, especially if the Stinger is under the Genesis brand. G70 is too small IMO.

[blownz]

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not having to deal with kia service is worth the $5k, lol.

You might very well be right lol

Oddly enough my parents have a ~2012 Kia Forte and they have loved the dealer. Their other car is ~2010 Jetta and they claim the Kia dealer is way better than any VW dealer in the city. Before the Kia they had a subaru and they say Kia dealer is better than subaru too. I have never been to any of those dealers for service so I can't say...

[Mitsu3000gt]

I would lease one of these if Hyundai bolstered the residuals. If they don't, it will be a horrible deal I think (pricing isn't out yet but I will be shocked if you see good 4yr residuals). Awesome car though, the press loves it (so far) and they are built as well as most of the Germans as far as I can tell without actually having driven one.

Kind of like those Cadillac deals - you would have to be out of your mind to lease one at MSRP, so GM always has huge incentives running to move their grossly overpriced models.

Also, for almost all of 2017 you could get a loaded Infiniti Red Sport for $48K (Approx. $14K off). I don't think Infiniti can sell those cars at the numbers they want at par with the S4/C63. I don't know if they are doing the same promotions for 2018 (finally done shopping haha), but if they are, that is probably the closest off-brand competition.

[EnRichii]

check this deal Brand new 2016 ATS V for what you should be able to get around 50 maybe upper 40s
http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/Cadillac...EMARKETING_DPV

[Xtrema]

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check this deal Brand new 2016 ATS V for what you should be able to get around 50 maybe upper 40s
http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/Cadillac...EMARKETING_DPV

While it only has 14km. On the book it's only worth $45K. Wonder why they let it sit for that long. And god I still hate that dash layout.

[JRSC00LUDE]

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check this deal Brand new 2016 ATS V for what you should be able to get around 50 maybe upper 40s
http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/Cadillac...EMARKETING_DPV

They knock that POS down to 30 and I might think about it. Anyone who pays those prices for a Cadillac is a full bore retard.

[EnRichii]

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They knock that POS down to 30 and I might think about it. Anyone who pays those prices for a Cadillac is a full bore retard.

Dude for 30! I'll go buy that right now. Seriously, I'd leave right now and drive up to Edmonton. lol your funny

[npham]

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Can you find any examples of hyundais that have lost half in 1 year? I sure can't.

In 2017 a G80's MSRP was $65,000 without options or packages. By the time you add in taxes, fees and maybe an option you'd be looking around $75,000 new. Here's a listing for $43000 - 2017 G80

Sure the math isn't quite 50% but isn't it close enough for you to want to stay away?

[ExtraSlow]

Well, every car from every manufacturer loses the taxes and fees portion of the original sale price. So, that's not unique.

[dirtsniffer]

Comparing to msrp will inflate the loss as well. Not mayny people would have paid it.

[zhao]

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They knock that POS down to 30 and I might think about it. Anyone who pays those prices for a Cadillac is a full bore retard.

Too rich for my blood, I'd only go as high as maybe 22g only cuz I think I might be able to sell it close to that after a year.

[npham]

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Well, every car from every manufacturer loses the taxes and fees portion of the original sale price. So, that's not unique.

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Comparing to msrp will inflate the loss as well. Not maybe people would have paid it.

Ok tell me how you'd get a price without using MSRP? I could easily have said the used car is 39K(because I can negotiate a discount) to make my numbers look better, but I knew someone would complain without thinking this through.

Also, why do fees and taxes matter in this scenario? We are comparing a buying a new car(every new car requires fees and taxes) to one that's a year old.

[Mys73ri0]

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I would lease one of these if Hyundai bolstered the residuals. If they don't, it will be a horrible deal I think (pricing isn't out yet but I will be shocked if you see good 4yr residuals). Awesome car though, the press loves it (so far) and they are built as well as most of the Germans as far as I can tell without actually having driven one.

Kind of like those Cadillac deals - you would have to be out of your mind to lease one at MSRP, so GM always has huge incentives running to move their grossly overpriced models.

Also, for almost all of 2017 you could get a loaded Infiniti Red Sport for $48K (Approx. $14K off). I don't think Infiniti can sell those cars at the numbers they want at par with the S4/C63. I don't know if they are doing the same promotions for 2018 (finally done shopping haha), but if they are, that is probably the closest off-brand competition.

If you do a pre-order you can see their pricing..

Lease on the 3.3 TT ($52,000) is $650 /month $1k DP
my bad math says the residual is about 48%? How does that compare to the germans? I have no idea...

Also, having sat in all the luxury brands vehicles at the car show -- the G70 is comparable if not better than most...

[Xtrema]

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If you do a pre-order you can see their pricing..

Lease on the 3.3 TT ($52,000) is $650 /month $1k DP
my bad math says the residual is about 48%? How does that compare to the germans? I have no idea...

Also, having sat in all the luxury brands vehicles at the car show -- the G70 is comparable if not better than most...

$57K Genesis G70, $1K down, 39 months @ 1.9%, 752/month
$59K C43 base (maintenance/freight included), $1K down, 39 months @ 2.9%, $785/month.

If the interest matches, the payment is the same. So residual is probably the same or close. So I would say it's in the 45-50% range or around 5% off Mercede's.

Seems to me they have done their homework and Kia didn't with Stinger.

[Mitsu3000gt]

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check this deal Brand new 2016 ATS V for what you should be able to get around 50 maybe upper 40s
http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/Cadillac...EMARKETING_DPV

$30K off and no buyers in 3 years...lol. And it's still overpriced.

I was very close to leasing an ATS, but only because rates were so heavily discounted. I couldn't imagine walking into a Caddy dealer and handing them anywhere near full price for any of their cars.

[94boosted]

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check this deal Brand new 2016 ATS V for what you should be able to get around 50 maybe upper 40s
http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/Cadillac...EMARKETING_DPV

I doubt you'd get an extra 8K plus off this price, it's by far the cheapest ATS-V on sale right now in Canada (when you factor in the mileage) that I can find.

I did email them to see what the price is when you include preferred pricing though.

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While it only has 14km. On the book it's only worth $45K. Wonder why they let it sit for that long. And god I still hate that dash layout.

How'd you find that? Car Cost Canada?

[Mitsu3000gt]

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If you do a pre-order you can see their pricing..

Lease on the 3.3 TT ($52,000) is $650 /month $1k DP
my bad math says the residual is about 48%? How does that compare to the germans? I have no idea...

Also, having sat in all the luxury brands vehicles at the car show -- the G70 is comparable if not better than most...

Interesting. So basically it seems like a loaded G70 roughly equals a base model S4/C43 for lease. Not too bad. I am not sure what the stretch is to a C43/S4 with a few options, but if it was within $100-150/mo I still think thats a tough sell for the G70. I suppose it matters less with leasing, you don't have to worry about reliability, resale, or even how you treat the car.