Anyone driven the Kia Stinger?

[killramos]

To be fair, it’s not like the luxury brands in Calgary are known for their after sales experiences...

Service guys at Kia really any worse than the guys at BMW or MB who think they are hot shit?

[Buster]

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That's actually the other potential problem with this otherwise good vehicle - in my experience the dealerships are absolutely horrid, and you typically get bottom of the barrel salespeople.

We went to Kia to look at a Sorento a couple times. First, they made us fill out an entire form/survey with contact info, the vehicle we were looking at, what we currently owned, etc. Then, the salesperson disappeared to talk to her manager for 5-10 minutes to "discuss" the answers on our sheet and tried to tell us what we wanted. Then she asked if we wanted a test drive, and we said yes, so she had to go back and also clear that with the manager. Half an hour later, off we go on the test drive. The salesperson kept calling the autonomous cruise control "anonymous" cruise, and literally knew nothing about the vehicle, but made up BS answers anyway that were completely false. Couldn't even be bothered to read a brochure on one of their higher volume sellers. We returned, and the manager comes over to lay on every greasy tactic in the book to try get us to buy "today". Been to Kia 2 or 3 times now (different dealers) and it's been more/less the same experience. The salespeople all looked bored and depressed, and we were one of two customers in the dealership on a Saturday afternoon. Pretty much the last place on earth you would want to buy a $50K sports car. I imagine the Genesis experience will be much better when the G70 goes on sale.

That reminds me of the time we were cross-shopping a GL with a new Durango Citadel or whatever. (Same platform.) I took my wife to the Dodge dealership. First time I've ever been in one. The look on her face through the experience was priceless...

[Mitsu3000gt]

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Genesis has no dealership, they come to you for the exact same reason of poor dealership experience people get at Kia/Hyundai dealerships.

Yup, that's why I made the comment. Even Hyundai knows their own dealership experience is shit, so they want to get the customer out. Kia is even worse.

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That reminds me of the time we were cross-shopping a GL with a new Durango Citadel or whatever. (Same platform.) I took my wife to the Dodge dealership. First time I've ever been in one. The look on her face through the experience was priceless...

Haha yup. Kia, Dodge, Chrysler, etc. seem to all get the salespeople nobody else will hire, and seem to have the sleaziest managers moving up from the trailer-office used car lots. And it's not just the salespeople, since you can find a bad salesperson anywhere (they are just less common at good dealerships), it's the whole dealership experience. Night and day difference with the more reputable brands in my experience.

[heavyD]

I've never dealt with Kia or Hyundai dealers. Are they worse than the local Subaru dealerships?

[Tik-Tok]

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I've never dealt with Kia or Hyundai dealers. Are they worse than the local Subaru dealerships?

My only experience at Calgary Hyundai was the worst dealership experience I've ever had. Including the time one tried to fleece me for more money after the paperwork was signed.

[Kavy]

I can attest to the dealerships not having a bloody clue how to sell a 50k+ vehicle. This isn’t just Calgary based. My friend who bought one went through 4 different dealers and they were all shitty.

He bought it from an Edmonton dealer and is from Lethbridge. Part of the deal was an I closed trailer to bring it down. They brought it down in an open trailer on gravel roads and it had multiple chips that had to be repaired beige the ceramic counting could be done. The dealer didn’t think chips were a big deal and suggested just using a pen to fix them.

I have about 6 more examples but they are just repeats of that exact uneducated behaviour. At least when I bought my BMW the dealer realized that a scratch on the car before delivery is not ok. Kia is used to selling cheap cars and the dealers are treating their current models the same. They need to retrain their staff something terrible.

[corsvette]

So what I get with a new 50K Kia Stinger...

- Shitty sales practices
- Shitty service
- Kia is the Wal-Mart of the car world "Great Value" when new = lousy resale value
- Unknown reliability

Seems like a decent car but a expensive Kia is a hard pass.

[roll_over]

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To be fair, it’s not like the luxury brands in Calgary are known for their after sales experiences...

Service guys at Kia really any worse than the guys at BMW or MB who think they are hot shit?

To be fair Downtown Mercedes has been top notch with service for me. I literally drop my cars off for any little problem and they fix it no questions asked and then shuttle me home or pay for my cab. I deal with Jesse and Lola there as advisors and they're great. They even replaced a $1200 windshield for me free of charge.

Lastly, they have unreal coffee there.

[rage2]

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To be fair, it’s not like the luxury brands in Calgary are known for their after sales experiences...

Service guys at Kia really any worse than the guys at BMW or MB who think they are hot shit?

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To be fair Downtown Mercedes has been top notch with service for me. I literally drop my cars off for any little problem and they fix it no questions asked and then shuttle me home or pay for my cab. I deal with Jesse and Lola there as advisors and they're great. They even replaced a $1200 windshield for me free of charge.

Lastly, they have unreal coffee there.

Yea, I'm pretty well taken care of at Lone Star as well, but man Royal Oak Lexus is in a different league. I almost wanted to buy another Lexus after experiencing the quality with my RC-F. Kinda interesting that Calgary Lexus, where I actually bought the car from, didn't make me feel like a VIP when I'm dealing with their service department.

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Yea, I'm pretty well taken care of at Lone Star as well, but man Royal Oak Lexus is in a different league. I almost wanted to buy another Lexus after experiencing the quality with my RC-F. Kinda interesting that Calgary Lexus, where I actually bought the car from, didn't make me feel like a VIP when I'm dealing with their service department.

Kill probably just feels that way since he came from BMW which is like the armpit of luxury brands. He just needs to give it some time dealing with service with his Benz.

[ExtraSlow]

"Impossible. BMW is always best at everything so anything they are bad at everyone else is worse." - every BMW owner

[jutes]

For 40-50k I’ve been looking at 2013+ A6s. There are a few nice 3.0T examples in Vancouver with CPO warranty. I’d really love a S6 but maybe in a year or two once they come down in prices. I refuse to buy any new vehicle as the depreciation is just not worth it. I looked at newer TLX A Specs but they are essentially the same since the 4G TL came out in 2010.

[Sugarphreak]

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[r3ccOs]

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I had a chance to see this car in person today... I was expecting to hate it, but instead I came away impressed

The styling of the car is really good, great lines and design all the way through. I didn't think Kia could ever pull off something that looked this good, so kudos to them. I was expecting it to be a lot longer for some reason, but the size is actually quite good and I think it will appeal to a lot of people. I knew this before, but the vehicle specs are also quite exceptional. The interior was well designed and well appointed, it was very comfortable and functional. The only thing I could really complain about was the use of cheaper materials inside the car. However, then again for the price, that is easily forgivable.

I think they have a real winner on their hands, this is a really well priced vehicle that might spur an entire new class of affordable entry level sport-backs.

honestly if it has a competitive chassis, reasonable interior quality... why not lease one? It may be marketed to attract outside its reputation/league, but if you were to compare this to its classmates, Ford Fusion Sport AWD, FWD Malibu, Accord, Camry, Maxima, etc.. go for it and hand the keys back if the car does end up a lemon or is upside down on the risidual.

[Xtrema]

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honestly if it has a competitive chassis, reasonable interior quality... why not lease one? It may be marketed to attract outside its reputation/league, but if you were to compare this to its classmates, Ford Fusion Sport AWD, FWD Malibu, Accord, Camry, Maxima, etc.. go for it and hand the keys back if the car does end up a lemon or is upside down on the risidual.

Genesis G70 has better lease rate, residual and all maintenance included. Even at $5K more, the monthly lease rate is $100 less. G70 basically has the same engine and underpinning of Stinger. I'm sure that guy they poached from M division also tuned this one so the only difference is wheelbase, size and style.

Stinger is only attractive as cash purchase.

[Kavy]

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Stinger is only attractive as cash purchase.

100% agreed. My friend who picked up his did this exact thing as the lease and finance rate were hot garbage. Its funny how when i was in my 20's i bought cars i liked and didn't care about much else. Now i specifically target vehicles with 0% financing, guess that means I'm getting old.

[A790]

Lexus = best service anywhere.

Everything else is "meh" by comparison.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Mitsu3000gt]

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For 40-50k I’ve been looking at 2013+ A6s. There are a few nice 3.0T examples in Vancouver with CPO warranty. I’d really love a S6 but maybe in a year or two once they come down in prices. I refuse to buy any new vehicle as the depreciation is just not worth it. I looked at newer TLX A Specs but they are essentially the same since the 4G TL came out in 2010.

This is exactly what my father ended up doing. Picked up a 2016 A6 3.0T S-line and most of the warranty left. Immaculate with 20km. 0-60 in 4.7 sec has it on par with the S4/C43's, all the options including massage seats and a LCD screen that actually disappears into the dash instead of the horrid hot-glued-on iPad variants everyone else uses now. Pricing was in the $50's, new it would have been almost $90K.

A 2013-2014 S6 was by far his #1 choice, but going into retirement on a fixed income he didn't want a $100K+ (MSRP) car with lots of power, lots of turbo plumbing, and a DCT. It absolutely blows everything else he was looking at out of the water though. You want at least a 2014, they fixed a lot of little issues with the 2013's.

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So what I get with a new 50K Kia Stinger...

- Shitty sales practices
- Shitty service
- Kia is the Wal-Mart of the car world "Great Value" when new = lousy resale value
- Unknown reliability

Seems like a decent car but a expensive Kia is a hard pass.

Leasing removes all those negatives for the most part, but it's not a great lease deal unfortunately.

An all-new car in an all-new segment (for Kia/Hyundai) needs time to prove itself. They should be giving much better incentives for the guinea pigs IMO. Reliability won't be known for 4-5 years unless they have problems right off the bat.

[Chandler_Racing]

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For 40-50k I’ve been looking at 2013+ A6s. There are a few nice 3.0T examples in Vancouver with CPO warranty. I’d really love a S6 but maybe in a year or two once they come down in prices. I refuse to buy any new vehicle as the depreciation is just not worth it. I looked at newer TLX A Specs but they are essentially the same since the 4G TL came out in 2010.

For someone who is looking to purchase used you can't go wrong with a 2013+ A6.

Had one for three years, with every option (Radar, night vision, HID, heated/cooled seats, etc.).

Original purchase price was $79k off memory, lost a bit of money on it but remains my favorite car to this day.