Alberta Separatism is starting to go mainstream

[Buster]

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yes. you can get a 10 year interest free loan, and up to a $5,000 grant towards the purchase. It's not new, and you need to get pre and post energy assessments.

I burned my grant on new windows. But the 10 year loan sounds interesting.

[rage2]

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how many gj of energy is required in winter for AB vs somewhere in atlantic canada?

Someone can do the math. Atlantic province mid winter (January) averages -4C. Saskatchewan averages -17C in the same month. It's more varied in Saskatchewan, averaging -15C in the south, -17C central, and -21C north.

[dirtsniffer]

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I burned my grant on new windows. But the 10 year loan sounds interesting.

Not sure if you will qualify for the program to use the loan if you already went through the program for the windows. The loan is part of the same thing, but it didn't come out for a year or so after the launch.

[phreezee]

HVAC guys I've talked to say heat pumps don't work well in Calgary.

[Buster]

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HVAC guys I've talked to say heat pumps don't work well in Calgary.

I thought they were good for the shoulder seasons?

[max_boost]

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Justin Trudeau is an almost perfect reflection and representation of Canadians. He is the embodiment of what a Canadian citizen actually is and thinks.

Oh dang haha

[Darell_n]

I installed a heat pump in my Mother’s place this summer, grand total cost was $1800 and I picked up the material, drove 5.5 hrs did the install by myself and was finished for dinner. A $5k rebate and interest free loan just means you are paying 10 grand more than it’s worth.

[ExtraSlow]

When you replace your AC, makes sense to get heat pump style.

[pheoxs]

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HVAC guys I've talked to say heat pumps don't work well in Calgary.

There's newer arctic heat pumps that work down to -30C so Calgary is fine. They typically have a resistive heater as a backup but we rarely ever get <-30C here. But with our expensive electricity and cheap natural gas they are still more expensive if your house isn't well sealed / insulated.

[littledan]

Can someone explain to me how a heat pump heats in -20c? Does it have a natural gas burner or something?

[SJW]

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Can someone explain to me how a heat pump heats in -20c? Does it have a natural gas burner or something?

We'll have a Liberal contact you on how the magic works.

[SilverRex]

Its real, the Risk 2210 AD board game has Alberta being it's own country consolidating with BC. What's also interesting is Ukraine. Maybe a few millennia later we can look back to this being another form of the Simson code.

[Thaco]

it's been 5 years since this thread started, is separatisim mainstream yet? Must be one of them secret separatist movements.

[pheoxs]

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Can someone explain to me how a heat pump heats in -20c? Does it have a natural gas burner or something?

It just needs specific refrigerant so that it can overcome the temp difference. Say your refrigerant changes by 80C when you compress or decompress it. (Like how the compressed air cans get cold when you use them)

Lets say your refrigerant is 50C inside, you blow it through a heat exchanger to heat the room, refrig cools down to ~30C. You pump it outside, then when you decompress it; it loses 80C. So now your refrig is -50C. Since the outdoors is 'only' -20C you can pass it through another heat exchanger out there to 'warm' it back up to -30C. Then when you compress it again and push it inside it gains 80C via compression so now it's 50C again. Enough to pass through your indoor until and blow warm heat again.

You just need a refrigerant & pressures that has a large enough operating window to overcome the difference in indoor and outdoor temperatures. That's also why the efficiency starts to drop off at certain temperatures as the system is working harder for less heat each cycle.

[riander5]

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I thought they were good for the shoulder seasons?

Correct

BC is an ideal place to get a heat pump, although you'd need AC for the 45 C summer months if you lived in those regions.

[suntan]

Mini-splits seem to be the thing in coastal BC.

[ExtraSlow]

As an Albertan, if you replace the words "heat pump" with "liberal funded air conditioning ", you'll understand the benefits most clearly.

[killramos]

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As an Albertan, if you replace the words "heat pump" with "self funded air conditioning ", you'll understand the benefits most clearly.

Fixed that for ya

[ExtraSlow]

Build a larger air conditioner, and make the eastern bastards pay for it.

[vengie]

My understanding on heat pumps (which is limited) is that they essentially didn't work in temps below -25, so you either freeze or have an alternative.