RCMP take over investigation of UCP 'irregular financial contributions' allegations

[kertejud2]

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It's nonsense because no amount of history (good or bad) can change the fact that past basic superficiality we are all the same.

someone who understands that we're all the same under the skin.

Well it's a good thing everybody has been treated the same and is therefore on a level playing field. People definitely aren't treated differently because of skin colour or racial background, how could it, under that we're just the same.

[Buster]

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Well it's a good thing everybody has been treated the same and is therefore on a level playing field. People definitely aren't treated differently because of skin colour or racial background, how could it, under that we're just the same.

When people do it, it's illogical and immoral.

But I think you're starting to make progress.

[Xtrema]

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Might as well make this a general UCP problems thread:

UCP Candidate Complained ‘White Supremacist Terrorists’ Are Treated Unfairly, Leaked Messages Show

After PressProgress supplied her with copies of the messages, Ford did not deny authoring them but instead asked “who shared these statements with you?” Ford did not respond to subsequent e-mails asking if she intended to provide a statement or offer any additional context to her statements.

https://pressprogress.ca/ucp-candida...messages-show/

1) People are dumb that expects everything they do on social media/apps will ever stay private.

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"Later in the conversation, Ford declared “I think it is unlikely that Western culture will survive without Western peoples” if “another race” becomes dominant.

“Why would another race want to cast away their own culture to adopt someone’s elses,” Ford wrote."

If she really did write that, that's a pretty dangerous view IMO. At a minimum, it can be taken out of context for white supremacist groups.

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Now my riding has no UCP candidate, fucking hell.

[Xtrema]

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Now my riding has no UCP candidate, fucking hell.

UCP is not replacing Ford?

[ExtraSlow]

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UCP is not replacing Ford?

Oh there will be a candidate, I just mean there isn't one yet.

[kertejud2]

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When people do it, it's illogical and immoral.

It isn't illogical, it's usually for personal gain at the expense of others, which is part of what makes it immoral. But since nothing should be done about it, how immoral can it be?

Now you've gone from pretending racism doens't exist, but that despite being immoral nothing should be done about it...because that would be racist.

[Buster]

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It isn't illogical, it's usually for personal gain at the expense of others, which is part of what makes it immoral. But since nothing should be done about it, how immoral can it be?

Now you've gone from pretending racism doens't exist, but that despite being immoral nothing should be done about it...because that would be racist.

No, I just dont think the solution to racism is...more racism.

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Kertejud’s solution - Racism with a Smile!

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[Buster]

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I think it's better to say "people are racist" rather than "everybody's equal" and then go from there. Evolving and overcoming our past takes a lot of work, it means confronting our horrible nature, healing, reconciling.
No, white western culture wasn't the only perpetrator of mass-scale racist oppression in the world. There's just been a very obvious and disproportionate effect on certain marginalized groups.
It's one thing to just look away and hope this is the last of the "lost generation" but the lazy axiom of "everybody's equal" is becoming this insidious moralistic fallacy that is no better than race-baiting.

i said there is no relevant ways to distinguish between races.

[kertejud2]

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i said there is no relevant ways to distinguish between races.

Then it must not have happened, problems solved.

[Buster]

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Then it must not have happened, problems solved.

There's a lot of IRRELEVANT ways to distinguish between race. A point on which the SJWs such as yourself and the White Nationalists agree.

[kertejud2]

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There's a lot of IRRELEVANT ways to distinguish between race.

You keep using this word, but I don't think it means what you think it does.

If you're going to try and assimilate a group of people based on their race, then what you are distinguishing between races on by definition becomes relevant:

For example:

"We're going to separate these people into groups based on skin colour."

"Hey, we have two people here with different skin colour, but what do we do if they both have the same hair colour?"

"That's irrelevant. Put that one into Group B, the other into Group A, skin colour is the only relevant trait we will use to distinguish people."


So what exactly are you trying to say?

[Buster]

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You keep using this word, but I don't think it means what you think it does.

If you're going to try and assimilate a group of people based on their race, then what you are distinguishing between races on by definition becomes relevant:

For example:

"We're going to separate these people into groups based on skin colour."

"Hey, we have two people here with different skin colour, but what do we do if they both have the same hair colour?"

"That's irrelevant. Put that one into Group B, the other into Group A, skin colour is the only relevant trait we will use to distinguish people."


So what exactly are you trying to say?

If you want to play the race game either as an SJW or a White Nationalist, you probably have to engage in such distasteful exercises. I do not.

[kertejud2]

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If you want to play the race game either as an SJW or a White Nationalist, you probably have to engage in such distasteful exercises. I do not.

You defend a white nationalist, dismiss the effects of race-based atrocities, don't understand what words you're using, but are still trying to stay planted some sort of moral high ground. Adorable.

[Buster]

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You defend a white nationalist, dismiss the effects of race-based atrocities, don't understand what words you're using, but are still trying to stay planted some sort of moral high ground. Adorable.

In order:

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Correct. My wife thinks so.

[Misterman]

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I'd like to hear how it's "reverse racism" to help a culture that yes, we actively helped destroy, preserve itself? What BAD comes from helping native tribes preserve their traditions and cultures?

You're left, so you already don't have a basic understanding of the word racism to be able to coherently understand such things. Racism is different treatment based on race. So if you're going to offer benefits to one race and not another, that is racism. Period.

What bad comes from our governments effort to "preserve" aboriginal culture? Umm, you ever been to a reserve? There is a reason reserve aboriginals are doing so poorly by comparison to the average Canadian citizen. First of all, white people can not help preserve aboriginal culture, all we can do is give them a place to preserve it themselves. Which we have, they're called reserves, being that it is land reserved for them to live their life how they choose without interference from us. So the loss of their culture is actually their own fault.

Being that they are given just enough to not strive for better, is a psychological prison that prevents them from doing better. That's the other level to what bad can happen, because I'm sure the benefits they receive were initially given with good conscience in mind. Top that with the fact that anyone who does try to strive for better from a reserve is essentially outcasted from their community due to the general racism against white people, and aboriginals don't stand a chance.

If one truly wanted to help them preserve their culture, you would advocate for treating them equals and allowing them to adapt to the new world where they can flourish personally and financially, and then have a more stable life to practice their culture.

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Who gets to decide that?

They get to decide if they want to preserve their own culture or not. Nobody is standing in the way of it.

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Yeah, nobody was advocating this.

The point is that lamenting the loss of white people’s homes and Western culture is not the same as aboriginal culture for the simple reason that there isn’t actually a targeted government effort to end white (er, Western) culture. There was for aboriginal culture. Therefore the two statements are not interchangeable because they have completely different contexts behind them.

Well then feel free to fill me in on what your idea is of helping them preserve culture if it is not what you insinuated?

There is no targeted government effort to end western culture? Perhaps you aren't paying attention to the political landscape around you.

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It’s also ironic that people who claim not to be racist care more about the unrelated treatment of First Nations to deflect from the actual racist comments of a conservative candidate.

I don't know who did that? But cool story bro.

[kertejud2]

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They get to decide if they want to preserve their own culture or not. Nobody is standing in the way of it.

The government famously stood in the way of it. Not just stood in the way, but actively pressed to oppress it. Which is why they're offering restitution. Generally what happens when one party commits an immoral act against another.

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Now my riding has no UCP candidate, fucking hell.

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UCP is not replacing Ford?

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Oh there will be a candidate, I just mean there isn't one yet.

Well, the new candidate has been annouced, it's the guy who finished second in the original nomination.

UCP finds replacement for star candidate who resigned after white supremacist comments

New nominee Jeremy Wong is an ordained minister and 'committed conservative'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...date-1.5065385

Local candidates don't make much difference in provincial politics, so this probably doesn't change much about the end result in this riding.