And, how does that compare to other 4-6 year educated professionals? We're trying to establish worth with data are we not? I'm happy to have a data driven discussion.
Edit:
How about I throw some of the first data out there then:
- Education, lets say teachers and engineers need the same education. I've established that isn't the case but we will go with it.
- Responsibility, financially and safety I know engineers are more. I do think there is some inherent responsibility to teach and not kill 28 little kids but I know this will be a sticky point about babysitting so I'll let this go. I'll give the point to the engineer here.
- Hours, I think I've shown that it is a split. You work much more defined and probably longer hours when you're there as a teacher. Where as (at least in my position) for an engineer (and our consultants I deal with daily) while there is crunch time at certain points in a project for the most part engineers are 9-5. So lets call it equal.
- Pension, most places have an RRSP matching or D.C. pension. Equal.
- Security, teachers definitely beat the engineers here.
So overall, I do agree the engineer should make more. The responsibility and 'worth' to the market is much more easily defined and financially a good engineer is worth more. Since APEGA is a bit hard to break down to one number, for 2019 salary recommendations I'll use those reported from the Consulting Engineers of Alberta.
Newbie EIT
Engineer
4 years education, 0 years experience, $74,000 a year recommended.
Teacher
4-6 years education, 0 experience, $59,188 - $66,200.
Winner:
Engineer by 11%-21%
Now, lets arbitrarily pick 5 years out:
Engineer - would have P.Eng, probably deemed a 'project engineer' at that point no?
4 years education, 5 years experience, $104,000 a year recommended.
Teacher
4-6 years education, 5 experience, $76,550 - $ 83,580
Winner:
Engineer by 20% - 26%
Now, lets arbitrarily pick 15 years out:
Engineer - probably a manager at that point no?
4 years education, 15 years experience, $127,000 a year recommended.
Teacher
4-6 years education, 5 experience, $93,914 - $100,960
Winner:
Engineer by 20% - 26%
So my point again stands, on equal footing, the teaching scale is less than engineers. Compound that 10-25% earnings over a lifetime and I think you guys all see the same data I do. Hence why, again, I don't understand how you can say this one individual position is over-paid considering the comparable professionalism, education requirements, and expectations.
Sources:
https://www.rockyview.ab.ca/hr_benef...2016-2018/view
https://www.cea.ca/files/Rate_guide/...20Salaries.pdf