Trudeau has to go?

[Xtrema]

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I mean, that is kind of the point of the whole thing.

Which may play out fine if we didn't get involved into multiple wars and globalization is still a thing.

Inflation by those global events is making this pill even harder to swallow.

[ThePenIsMightier]

"Making energy more affordable reduces poverty and distributes more wealth and opportunity to the masses."
-Smart People


"Do the opposite and insist that it helps the poor."
-Canadian Liberal/NDP Alliance

[davidI]

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I don’t think that’s a lie. As I’ve stated before, our federal carbon tax is simply wealth redistribution. Top 20% pay more than bottom 80%, so 8 of 10 Canadians get more money back.

That's what the Liberals keep shouting but it ignores the economic costs.

Per the PBO's own report, including both fiscal AND economic costs, only the bottom 20% come out ahead (- means they get cash back in the table).

Taking into consideration both fiscal and economic impacts, we estimatethat most households will see a net loss, paying more in the federal fuelcharge and GST, as well as receiving lower incomes, compared to the ClimateAction Incentive payments they receive and lower personal income taxesthey pay (due to lower incomes).11

That said, relative to disposable income, our estimates of household net costof the federal fuel charge continue to show a progressive impact (that is,larger net costs for higher income households). Given that the fuel chargelowers investment returns relative to wages, and that investment incomemakes up a larger share of total income for higher income households, theircost is proportionately larger.

In 2030-31, accounting for both fiscal and economic impacts, the largest netgain is for households in the lowest income quintile in Saskatchewan (2.7 percent of disposable income); the largest net loss is for households in the topincome quintile in Alberta (2.7 per cent of disposable income).

For Albertans in the top 20%, it's basically another 2.7% tax on their disposable income...

https://distribution-a61727465666163...01a2409640bfdd

[pheoxs]

Minor points but that says it’s for fuel charges and not the carbon tax overall doesn’t it?

[davidI]

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Minor points but that says it’s for fuel charges and not the carbon tax overall doesn’t it?

It's just what they call it. There's nothing actually called a "carbon tax" in legislation.

As in previous analysis, our estimates reflect the direct “fiscal” (or, “use-side”)impact on households that is, the federal fuel charge and related GST paidless the rebate received as Climate Action Incentive payments, as well as the“economic” (or, “source-side”) impact on household income.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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That's what the Liberals keep shouting but....

Just to be clear, they're certainly not shouting about their plan being Wealth Redistribution... They're shouting about how whatever they're doing is benefiting everyone except the "ultra rich".

... I know you know, but just in case anyone misunderstood...

[davidI]

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Just to be clear, they're certainly not shouting about their plan being Wealth Redistribution... They're shouting about how whatever they're doing is benefiting everyone except the "ultra rich".

... I know you know, but just in case anyone misunderstood...

I could probably find you 50 clips of them literally shouting in the House of Commons about how 8 out of 10 Canadians get back more than what they pay.

[bjstare]

Poilievre announced he’s going to bring a motion of non confidence tmw if Trudeau doesn’t aXE the TAx

[killramos]

A motion he will lose and he knows it

[ThePenIsMightier]

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I could probably find you 50 clips of them literally shouting in the House of Commons about how 8 out of 10 Canadians get back more than what they pay.

I agree.
No one can show me the Liberals fully admitting that their grand plan is to steal from the rich and give to the poor using the term Wealth Redistribution.
Can they? That's the sort of thing Hair Justin needs to keep a secret.

[vengie]

They will definitely lose the motion.
There are too many NDP and Liberal ministers in line to receive their government pension in 2025.

But this strategy will further highlight the entrenchment of the NDP and Liberal alliance and turn more Canadians away.
Hopefully.....

[ThePenIsMightier]

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They will definitely lose the motion.
There are too many NDP and Liberal ministers in line to receive their government pension in 2025.

But this strategy will further highlight the entrenchment of the NDP and Liberal alliance and turn more Canadians away.
Hopefully.....

Yes.
Surviving a non-confidence vote is no longer a sign of confidence and moreso a sign of

[Buster]

the non confidence vote is a very smart move.

It will allow him to take Liberal protests votes away from the NDP and to the conservatives

[davidI]

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I agree.
No one can show me the Liberals fully admitting that their grand plan is to steal from the rich and give to the poor using the term Wealth Redistribution.
Can they? That's the sort of thing Hair Justin needs to keep a secret.

You don't seem to get it. They're stealing from everyone but the poorest 20%... and even the poorest 20% aren't getting much back.

Look at the table I shared from the Parliamentary Budget Office report.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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You don't seem to get it. They're stealing from everyone but the poorest 20%... and even the poorest 20% aren't getting much back.

Look at the table I shared from the Parliamentary Budget Office report.

I do get it. We're not arguing. They are stealing.
Are they using the words WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION to describe their actions?
No.
They are calling it "Climate Action" which is lying because what they are actually doing is Wealth Redistribution. But they are extremely explicit in NOT using those words.

In the quote of yours that I started on this, you said "that's what the Liberals keep shouting" and the way your response quoted Buster made it look like you were saying,
"The Liberals keep shouting that they are simply forcing Wealth Redistribution" and that's not what they are shouting. They are shouting "the Climate Action plan and its taxes are a net benefit to most people".

[vengie]

[g-m]

Well it looks like bill c-65 was passed in 2021 and is about workplace harassment so no idea where that gem is from

[vengie]

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Well it looks like bill c-65 was passed in 2021 and is about workplace harassment so no idea where that gem is from

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ele...tion-1.7149657

[g-m]

Haha fair enough well I dunno how these numbering schemes work.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-...s-answers.html

[ThePenIsMightier]

I feel it's quite likely that I will openly masturbate to his concession speech. But also laugh...
That's gonna be pretty weird. LaughurBating? Where will the remorse get stored after I ejaculate? Will another confused emotion come out? This is a lot to unpack...

I don't care the fella. Not one bit.