Trudeau has to go?

[Misterman]

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Just to be clear, they're certainly not shouting about their plan being Wealth Redistribution... They're shouting about how whatever they're doing is benefiting everyone except the "ultra rich".

... I know you know, but just in case anyone misunderstood...

The silliest part of all this, is how easy it is for PP to trample the Libs on this in a soundbite that the average idiot will have no choice but to understand.

Libs "Carbon tax is a benefit to everyone, because we just give it back to people"

PP "If you are just giving it back, then why take it in the first place? Unless of course you aren't actually giving it back to everyone fairly"


But with the Libs sinking approval ratings, it appears Canadians(as dumb as they are) still understand this carbon tax fraud.

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A motion he will lose and he knows it

He obviously has some reason to believe he won't lose that motion. There is some Lib MP's that see the writing on the wall, and are starting to openly go against Trudeau now. So who knows how much support PP has drummed up in the back channels from Libs that aren't being vocally open about it yet.

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I do get it. We're not arguing. They are stealing.
Are they using the words WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION to describe their actions?
No.
They are calling it "Climate Action" which is lying because what they are actually doing is Wealth Redistribution. But they are extremely explicit in NOT using those words.

In the quote of yours that I started on this, you said "that's what the Liberals keep shouting" and the way your response quoted Buster made it look like you were saying,
"The Liberals keep shouting that they are simply forcing Wealth Redistribution" and that's not what they are shouting. They are shouting "the Climate Action plan and its taxes are a net benefit to most people".

I'm pretty sure what he is saying is that it's not even Wealth redistribution. They're literally just stealing more money from citizens to put into government coffers. Because almost nobody is getting any actual benefit from this.

[killramos]

Yea. No. He knows he’s going to lose.

It’s just a publicity stunt.

[CompletelyNumb]

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ele...tion-1.7149657

How is this delaying the election? I can't find the actual bill anywhere to refer to, not sure CBC would actually report that if true.

[pheoxs]

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How is this delaying the election? I can't find the actual bill anywhere to refer to, not sure CBC would actually report that if true.

It's part of it but not for the reason that BS image claims. The current date, 5 years from the last election, falls on Diwali and since it's a holiday it's moving it to the following Monday. But we've rarely ever seen elections happen on the final allowable date, it's far more likely the government dissolves earlier than that and we have an election sooner.

Ensuring an election is not held on a day of religious or cultural significance
Should a fixed date election be held in 2025, it would be held on Monday October 20th. However, many communities in Canada will be celebrating Diwali at this time. Therefore, a one-time change to the date is proposed so that the potential election would not conflict with Diwali. Instead, the election would be held the following Monday.

https://www.canada.ca/en/democratic-...tions-act.html

[dirtsniffer]

Why change the law to allow it to be scheduled later instead of just scheduling it the week before?

[Misterman]

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Yea. No. He knows he’s going to lose.

It’s just a publicity stunt.

Are you speculating that he doesn't actually intend to push the non confidence motion? It's just lip service? Because pushing the motion forward knowing full well it won't pass, is probably the stupidest thing that could be done right now with their current massive lead in the pools.

[pheoxs]

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Why change the law to allow it to be scheduled later instead of just scheduling it the week before?

Because that’s how the election act was passed by Harper?

Limitation
(4) The alternate day must be either the Tuesday immediately following the Monday that would otherwise be polling day or the Monday of the following week.

[killramos]

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Are you speculating that he doesn't actually intend to push the non confidence motion? It's just lip service? Because pushing the motion forward knowing full well it won't pass, is probably the stupidest thing that could be done right now with their current massive lead in the pools.

It’s not speculation if you know it to be true

[Brent.ff]

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Are you speculating that he doesn't actually intend to push the non confidence motion? It's just lip service? Because pushing the motion forward knowing full well it won't pass, is probably the stupidest thing that could be done right now with their current massive lead in the pools.

He’d have a better chance of it going to non-confidence if they weren’t so far ahead. Even the liberals that are annoyed with the Gaza statement won’t want to lose their jobs..

[Misterman]

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It’s not speculation if you know it to be true

Ok, just the typical trolling. Got it.

[CompletelyNumb]

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It's part of it but not for the reason that BS image claims. The current date, 5 years from the last election, falls on Diwali and since it's a holiday it's moving it to the following Monday. But we've rarely ever seen elections happen on the final allowable date, it's far more likely the government dissolves earlier than that and we have an election sooner.



https://www.canada.ca/en/democratic-...tions-act.html

Makes more sense, appreciate you pointing that out.

[davidI]

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I do get it. We're not arguing. They are stealing.
Are they using the words WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION to describe their actions?
No.
They are calling it "Climate Action" which is lying because what they are actually doing is Wealth Redistribution. But they are extremely explicit in NOT using those words.

In the quote of yours that I started on this, you said "that's what the Liberals keep shouting" and the way your response quoted Buster made it look like you were saying,
"The Liberals keep shouting that they are simply forcing Wealth Redistribution" and that's not what they are shouting. They are shouting "the Climate Action plan and its taxes are a net benefit to most people".

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I'm pretty sure what he is saying is that it's not even Wealth redistribution. They're literally just stealing more money from citizens to put into government coffers. Because almost nobody is getting any actual benefit from this.

Misterman gets it. If you're taking an average of 2% from everyone and only the bottom 20% of income holders get 1.4% back... 85% of the "wealth" is not being redistributed but simply disappearing. Look at the table I posted from the PBO. It's quite clear.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Misterman gets it. If you're taking an average of 2% from everyone and only the bottom 20% of income holders get 1.4% back... 85% of the "wealth" is not being redistributed but simply disappearing. Look at the table I posted from the PBO. It's quite clear.

Yes. I also realized that they can't even steal correctly.

[Buster]

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Are you speculating that he doesn't actually intend to push the non confidence motion? It's just lip service? Because pushing the motion forward knowing full well it won't pass, is probably the stupidest thing that could be done right now with their current massive lead in the pools.

Why would it be stupid?

[Misterman]

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Why would it be stupid?

Because if you push non confidence motion out, and lose. Then your supporters start to question if A) You actually know what the hell you're doing B) They're on the "right" side(popular side, because let's face it, that's how the average idiot aligns themselves) C) You carry a major loss into the election.


I'd be interested to hear how you feel the Conservatives benefit by losing a non confidence vote right now?

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Because if you push non confidence motion out, and lose. Then your supporters start to question if A) You actually know what the hell you're doing B) They're on the "right" side(popular side, because let's face it, that's how the average idiot aligns themselves) C) You carry a major loss into the election.


I'd be interested to hear how you feel the Conservatives benefit by losing a non confidence vote right now?

Hard to say. Maybe that it will allow him to take Liberal protests votes away from the NDP and to the conservatives.

[pheoxs]

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Because if you push non confidence motion out, and lose. Then your supporters start to question if A) You actually know what the hell you're doing B) They're on the "right" side(popular side, because let's face it, that's how the average idiot aligns themselves) C) You carry a major loss into the election.


I'd be interested to hear how you feel the Conservatives benefit by losing a non confidence vote right now?

It’s Canadian politics. They constantly throw out motions or amendments that get shot down just for the sake of posturing. Canada isn’t like the US where the speaker controls what gets to the floor. The opposing party constantly pushes votes they know will fail regardless of which party is in power. It’s entirely just to get MPs on record voting to support the tax for next year.

[killramos]

Hey look.

They lost the confidence motion with unanimous nays from all the other parties.

Quelle Surprise

Outcome? No different than all the other motions they put forward that they know they will lose.

But they got some headlines out of it, which was the entire goal all along.

[mr2mike]

[Kjonus]

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Hey look.

They lost the confidence motion with unanimous nays from all the other parties.

Quelle Surprise

Outcome? No different than all the other motions they put forward that they know they will lose.

But they got some headlines out of it, which was the entire goal all along.

Bingo!....Jughead will never drop support as he's not eligible for is golden handshake until February of next year and Quebec doesn't see much of the direct effect of the carbon tax.