Who is getting the COVID-19 Vaccine?

[Kloubek]

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My heart, she breaks! Does it help that I have both my shots?

For what it's worth, it kinda does.

Sorry to see that TireBob. That looks seriously uncomfortable.

[HuMz]

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Forget about losing weight, quitting bad habits (smokes, excessive drinking, etc.), reducing stress, getting adequate sleep, eating healthy, supplementing intelligently, and getting your body in shape. The public doesn't care if you neglect all that. But neglect the vaccine, you're an asshole!!!

It's now becoming clear that the current products on the market are non-sterilizing vaccines. This has the potential to accelerate escape mutants. This isn't some fringe theory - there's a reason coronavirus vaccines have never been successful, historically speaking. They've all caused ADE. Vaccinating during a pandemic, with a product that doesn't prevent infection and transmission, is going to force the variants which can bypass the vaccine to spread. We are seeing this in real time.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...d-19-vaccine-/

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion...whi-story.html

Something isn't adding up here. Israel is showing us that the vaccine isn't preventing infections (which is now almost universally acknowledged). However, it's the hospitalizations that are surprising. It is not preventing severe disease anywhere near 90%. 9 out of 10 people hospitalized that are fully vaccinated isn't supposed to be happening.

That doesn't seem possible if Canada and the US are claiming that upwards of 90% of hospitalizations and severe disease are in the unvaccinated.

[killramos]

Must be the worms

[Buster]

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Something isn't adding up here. Israel is showing us that the vaccine isn't preventing infections (which is now almost universally acknowledged). However, it's the hospitalizations that are surprising. It is not preventing severe disease anywhere near 90%. 9 out of 10 people hospitalized that are fully vaccinated isn't supposed to be happening.

That doesn't seem possible if Canada and the US are claiming that upwards of 90% of hospitalizations and severe disease are in the unvaccinated.

The goal is to have 100% of the people hospitalized to have been vaccinated. Think about that for a moment.

[finboy]

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The goal is to have 100% of the people hospitalized to have been vaccinated. Think about that for a moment.

This.

some vaccinated people will still get covid, some will still go to hospital, but as a percentage of population it will be drastically lower. As long as this number doesn’t cause healthcare to collapse, the vaccine is doing exactly what is expected. This is why hinshaw’s move is fine at this point, populations most likely to be impacted by covid to an extent that would require medical intervention, have access to a vaccine that can greatly reduce that risk.

% of vaccinated patients matters much less that TOTAL patients in hospital, regardless of vaccinated status

[HuMz]

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The goal is to have 100% of the people hospitalized to have been vaccinated. Think about that for a moment.

I take it you mean so that 100% of people are vaccinated, then 100% of hospitalizations will be in fully vaccinated?

If so, while a nice goal, it doesn't answer what I said with regards to what we're seeing in Israel as roughly 60% is fully vaccinated. With a 60/40 proportional split, we shouldn't be seeing a 9 vaccinated severe case : 1 (unvaccinated/1 dose) severe case in the hospital now should we?

[HuMz]

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The goal is to have 100% of the people hospitalized to have been vaccinated. Think about that for a moment.

I take it you mean so that 100% of people are vaccinated, then 100% of hospitalizations will be in fully vaccinated?

If so, while a nice goal, it doesn't answer what I said with regards to what we're seeing in Israel as roughly 60% is fully vaccinated. With a 60/40 proportional split, we shouldn't be seeing a 9 vaccinated severe case : 1 unvaccinated/1 dose severe case in the hospital now should we?

[pheoxs]

I think some of you are confusing Israel's demographics. Although they have 62% fully vaccinated and 67% with one does out of their total population, Israel has a very young population. 28% of their population is under 14 (they don't break it down under 12 unfortunately).

So say it's 24% under 12 aren't eligible, plus 62% fully vaccinated means that just 14% of their population is not fully vaccinated but eligible, or 9% is eligible and havent had a single dose.

It's quite clear that younger people rarely end up hospitalized, especially children. So when you look at how few people are left to be vaccinated there, in the age range that's more at risk, then it's not surprising most people in the hospital are vaccinated because they out number the unvaccinated nearly 9:1.

[HuMz]

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I think some of you are confusing Israel's demographics. Although they have 62% fully vaccinated and 67% with one does out of their total population, Israel has a very young population. 28% of their population is under 14 (they don't break it down under 12 unfortunately).

So say it's 24% under 12 aren't eligible, plus 62% fully vaccinated means that just 14% of their population is not fully vaccinated but eligible, or 9% is eligible and havent had a single dose.

It's quite clear that younger people rarely end up hospitalized, especially children. So when you look at how few people are left to be vaccinated there, in the age range that's more at risk, then it's not surprising most people in the hospital are vaccinated because they out number the unvaccinated nearly 9:1.

Let's say that it is 9 vaccinated:1 unvaccinated population in terms of those at risk of hospitalization (say over 60). If both groups shared the exact same risk (So the vaccine is no more effective than being unvaccinated), then we should
expect the hospitalization numbers to reflect that same population ratio, should we not?

So why are we still seeing that 9:1 ratio in severe cases if the vaccine is 90% effective? Shouldn't it be closer to 1:1 in hospitalizations to account for the proportional population difference and the vaccine effectiveness?

[pheoxs]

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Let's say that it is 9 vaccinated:1 unvaccinated population in terms of those at risk of hospitalization (say over 60). If both groups shared the exact same risk (So the vaccine is no more effective than being unvaccinated), then we should
expect the hospitalization numbers to reflect that same population ratio, should we not?

So why are we still seeing that 9:1 ratio in severe cases if the vaccine is 90% effective? Shouldn't it be closer to 1:1 in hospitalizations to account for the proportional population difference and the vaccine effectiveness?

Pretty much every region has older people with higher vaccine coverages than younger people though. Alberta is 90% above age 65 yet only 50-60% for 18-39.

Idk if Israel provides a nice breakdown but if it's 80-90% coverage for the whole age range then the most at risk (65+) it likely is even higher portion vaccinated.

And in the end not everyone's immune systems are equal. Older people have weaker immune systems and while vaccines will give them a boost, it's not magic.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/just-o...d-under-60-tv/

This says only 1 person is in the ICU and vaccinated under the age of 60. All the vaccinated but hospitalized are older. The non-vaccinated people have a wider spread of ages.

Only one of 61 Israelis hospitalized with COVID in serious condition is a fully vaccinated individual under the age of 60, Channel 12 news reported Sunday, citing Health Ministry figures.

According to the report, 24 of those in serious condition are unvaccinated, while 37 are fully vaccinated. The lone seriously ill fully vaccinated person under 60 was in the 50-59 age group.


No fully vaccinated individuals under age 50 were in serious condition.

Meanwhile, among the unvaccinated, 14 people under age 50 were in serious condition, two of whom were younger than 40.

[killramos]

Erbudie iz ded

[Buster]

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I take it you mean so that 100% of people are vaccinated, then 100% of hospitalizations will be in fully vaccinated?

If so, while a nice goal, it doesn't answer what I said with regards to what we're seeing in Israel as roughly 60% is fully vaccinated. With a 60/40 proportional split, we shouldn't be seeing a 9 vaccinated severe case : 1 unvaccinated/1 dose severe case in the hospital now should we?

I was more joking because you were posting a response to born2workoncars, a poster which has demonstrated repeatedly that he doesn't have the first clue about data analysis, critical thinking on the topic or posting useful sources of data.

[Uncle Flappy]

The delta variant is just cover for antibody dependent enhancement syndrome in the vaxxed. You will awaken soon to this phenomenon in the fall. Make peace with your maker, for you have sold your soul to satan by voluntarily taking his mark of the beast shot.

[killramos]

So you are saying there are free satanic tattoos involved?

[Uncle Flappy]

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So you are saying there are free satanic tattoos involved?

Yes, it will start out as your vaccine passport, then a microchip.

[killramos]

Is the chip in my passport? Or is my passport the chip?

[jutes]

Can I link my passport and microchip to my phone, is there an app for it?

[killramos]

Only if you have an iPhone. Android support will be beta for a while.

[ExtraSlow]

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Only if you have an iPhone. Android support will be beta for a while.

Fucking betas

[mr2mike]

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Fucking betas

Should just call it Cuck Mode.