Shell 91 now has ethanol?

[mr2mike]

No point getting mad now. Wait a few years when it's 15%+
Enjoy pretending to save David Suzuki.

[Tik-Tok]

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I wonder, if one were willing to pay the premium can one use lead-free aviation gas in a vehicle? It's 100 octane; and there's lead-free formulations ...

100LL is not lead free, it's just "low" lead, and really not that low.

G100ul avgas is lead free but has literally just been approved by the FAA, I don't think it's here in Canada yet, and doubt it will be for a long while.

When it is available, you need to cozy up real nice with someone at Springbank with an airplane. Fuellera won't just fill your jerry cans like it's a gas station.

[M.alex]

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100LL is not lead free, it's just "low" lead, and really not that low.

G100ul avgas is lead free but has literally just been approved by the FAA, I don't think it's here in Canada yet, and doubt it will be for a long while.

When it is available, you need to cozy up real nice with someone at Springbank with an airplane. Fuellera won't just fill your jerry cans like it's a gas station.

I thought UL was available here ... i know very little about avgas.

[Buster]

As of November 1, all coop grades will have ethanol

[BavarianBeast]

Shitty deal. Add ethanol free gas to the things I should of hoarded in 2020.

Is it mandatory to state that it has methanol added?

[M.alex]

Chevron 94 is still ethanol free.

But is Chevron 94 any good? I remember reading a review somewhere, like Reddit, where somebody said it was garbage gas and more like 89 octane and caused their car to run like shit.

To be fair I once got bad gas from Shell - filled up and car barely idled, pinging, struggling to drive. Dumped it out and re-filled and was golden, so you can get unlucky and run in to bad gas anywhere. Or maybe their tune was running on the ragged edge. Or any number of things.

[never]

If you’re worried about fuel content and only drive vehicles once a month over the summer, why don’t you just get tins or a drum of VP MS109 or similar?

[ExtraSlow]

Someone should import a trailer full of race fuel drums.

[M.alex]

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If you’re worried about fuel content and only drive vehicles once a month over the summer, why don’t you just get tins or a drum of VP MS109 or similar?

i have 15 vehicles ... i'd have to store a hell of a lot of fuel and I don't want that at home, and somehow I don't think you can rent a storage locker and leave drums of fuel there (I mean, I guess you could and not tell them, but then if something ever happens I imagine you get sued, or worse)

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i have 15 vehicles ... i'd have to store a hell of a lot of fuel and I don't want that at home, and somehow I don't think you can rent a storage locker and leave drums of fuel there (I mean, I guess you could and not tell them, but then if something ever happens I imagine you get sued, or worse)

Just curious…have you ever calculated how much fuel you’d need for a summer? At one time, I had three drums of E98 behind one of my sheds..,what’s the worst that could happen! When the shop is done, I was contemplating building a metal shed for fuel storage…maybe I should make it bigger and store extra race fuel!

[Sky]

Update on fuel experience on my turbo cars.

Always used Husky 94 and was great but too bad they stopped offering 94

94 Chevron, thought it was great but ended up sucking for me on V6 twin turbo.

Shell, had bad experience years ago but is still crap to this day for me.

G&B 94 in Hawkwood, complete garbage. Husky 91 is better

Petro-can 94, tuned on this and has been the most consistent and easy to find anywhere.

[pheoxs]

Costco 91 is life now. Just swapped down to the 91 tune which is sad but oh well.

[Xtrema]

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Costco 91 is life now. Just swapped down to the 91 tune which is sad but oh well.

But for how long if this is Canada wide.

[redline]

Maybe Danielle Smith can go bat shit crazy on this issue and tell the oil companies to ignore Ottawa and leave the corn juice out of our gas….

Honk honk for freedom… my car my choice …

[zechs]

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Maybe Danielle Smith can go bat shit crazy on this issue and tell the oil companies to ignore Ottawa and leave the corn juice out of our gas….

Honk honk for freedom… my car my choice …

Ethanol wholesale is typically cheaper then gas. I would assume adding ethanol boosts refinery margins overall. Maybe overtime this was whittled away due to competition, but I doubt it. Basically a hidden profit center by the refiners.

I don't know if this is accurate or not, strictly how I imagine it plays out, especially since it is only up to 10%. We're talking pennies per litre, impossible for the consumer to detect, but adds up to the corps bottom line.

Would also put a few ethanol plants out of business.

Are there any refineries owned wholly in Alberta? Might be able to get away with it then.

I actually like your thinking on this as ethanol in gasoline is the scam of the century.

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Ethanol wholesale is typically cheaper then gas. I would assume adding ethanol boosts refinery margins overall. Maybe overtime this was whittled away due to competition, but I doubt it. Basically a hidden profit center by the refiners.

I don't know if this is accurate or not, strictly how I imagine it plays out, especially since it is only up to 10%. We're talking pennies per litre, impossible for the consumer to detect, but adds up to the corps bottom line.

Would also put a few ethanol plants out of business.

Are there any refineries owned wholly in Alberta? Might be able to get away with it then.

I actually like your thinking on this as ethanol in gasoline is the scam of the century.

We're also paying carbon tax on the whole litre, when 10% is ethanol, a biofuel, so therefore exempt from the carbon tax. I am not sure who along the supply chain is getting the little bonus there.

[ExtraSlow]

The USA corn farmers lobby.

[Orbie]

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Update on fuel experience on my turbo cars.

Always used Husky 94 and was great but too bad they stopped offering 94

94 Chevron, thought it was great but ended up sucking for me on V6 twin turbo.

Shell, had bad experience years ago but is still crap to this day for me.

G&B 94 in Hawkwood, complete garbage. Husky 91 is better

Petro-can 94, tuned on this and has been the most consistent and easy to find anywhere.

I also came from Husky 94, I've been using G&B 94 since and I haven't noticed many problems, had one knocking incident that I can remember. What problems did you have with it?

I was told specifically from my tuner to stay away from Petro-Can 94 due to consistency so interesting to see you say it's worked best for you.

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We're also paying carbon tax on the whole litre, when 10% is ethanol, a biofuel, so therefore exempt from the carbon tax. I am not sure who along the supply chain is getting the little bonus there.

The federal government.

[M.alex]

I checked two Chevron stations today and their 94 is definitely 0% ethanol. (that's twice in the last month I've tested it, so I'm happy the sticker is not a lie)

I've been using it in my daily driver (04 cobra, not stock, 20lbs of boost and 250k miles, lol) the last month and havn't noticed any performance issues so I have to imagine the occasional post I read about Chevron 94 being garbage were exaggerations.

Their 91 is 10% ethanol (like everybody else)

I can't figure out though how they're getting around the CFS, unless their 94 comes from some small refinery that the regs don't apply to (like that magic refinery in Saskatchewan Co-Op used to buy from)?