I've interpreted the Silverstone incident to be one where Max turned in too early before he was sufficiently clear of Hamilton. Whether that was done intentionally or not to force Hamilton to back up is up for debate. He arguably would've completed the overtake had he left Hamilton room on the inside line.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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I'm not trying to troll, more bring up discussion regarding the new rules. At the end of the day, Lewis was at fault in that incident and the FIA agreed. He was penalized for it (albeit quite leniently considering)This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
This is the way I see it; if Lewis was going to miss the apex and not give the guy on the outside any room, then isnt it his fault? Max left plenty of room on the inside.
I agree that both should leave room for each other. But if the guy on the outside is just meant to now give way every single time hes on the outside, even when hes slightly leading, then we are going to be in for a real lame season.
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He did leave tons of room on the inside. Ham took way too much speed into that turn, and he basically understeered away from the apex into max. SkyF1 broke it down frame by frame last year showing that Max had left room but lewis was just too aggressive in the instance, took too much speed to try and catch up to max and get along side, and then the grip just wasnt there.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIKel6jVD3Q
Check Lewis' own onboard at 0:25 you can see his car is barely turning in.
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I disagree. As a defender, you always have the right to defend the inside for yourself. Literally every pass with some exceptions (setup for next corners, brain fart) you want to defend the inside, which is always the preferred line. Outside always the dirtier slower line. Outside doesn't have to give way, but they can't crowd the inside either. They need to adjust their line not to collide. If they have no room because inside left no room, then penalty for inside guy.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Originally posted by SEANBANERJEE
I have gone above and beyond what I should rightfully have to do to protect my good name
I agree that, for the most part, the inside line gets priority on a side-by-side battle. However they still have responsibility to leave room for the guy on the outside and it doesnt give him right to kamikaze in recklessly.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Lets go back to last weekend. Albon given a penalty on this.
Similar situation to Lewis, came in on the inside but too fast for the corner angle (albeit did make the apex in this circumstance). His acute angle meant he needed to slow down much more if he wanted to leave space on outside for lance. Stroll was ahead and left him a bit of space on the apex.
I think we need to remember the angle of attack to the corner as well. If the angle is too acute, the driver on the inside needs to adjust his speed and predict where his car will be.
You guys would have a great time over at https://www.reddit.com/r/Simracingstewards/
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I have no interest in judging incidents. I, along with many in F1 hated the inconsistency in rules last year. Penalties made no sense. This year rules have been clarified. I'm happy.
I've spent enough time on this. Silverstone was a year ago and somehow it's still compared to dive-bombs. I'm done.
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Something we can both agree on.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The other stuff I think we somewhat agree on, but the nuances/details we dont. So agree to disagree haha
Back on topic, I am looking forward to seeing some racing back in Albert Park. Crazy to think weve skipped it for 2 years in a row now. Always been a cool track and should be interesting to see how the new cars perform.
You keep ignoring that he was only fully along side for that brief second because he divebombed into the inside of a corner with so much speed he had no hope to actually make the corner. Like the literal definition of a divebomb. You can't just call yourself "fully along side" because you intend to use the outside car as a bumper rail like 4 year olds bowling.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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I'm sure we all agree on this. Whatever the rules are, they at least need to be clearly defined and consistently implemented.
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Some have gotten clear and others are more vague … ie checo and saniz still not good just differentThis quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Beyond meet in Vegas?
Pretty awesome, but will probably be v expensive. My vote goes to Austin.
no way. vegas 100% !!!
10pm race start. In November. That desert cold gonna be cold haha.
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I feel like it was no coincidence that Vegas is bringing in a huge tourism booster not long after the pools close for the winter season.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Wonder how much a strip facing room will run at the Cosmo or the like? Either way, I'll gladly bundle up if I have to. This is amazing as a western F1 fan, we have 4 races we can go to without crossing the pond.
Given how many hotels are within the track area I don't see how they could control "general admission" if you have a booking at one of the hotels?This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I know it's low single digit temps at night around New Year's, so I doubt it's radically warmer in November. A lot of this sounds crazy to me.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I wasn't talking about tickets, but basically everything else. Vegas is the land of $35 drinks to begin with, never mind an F1 weekend.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'm just too poor for Vegas, aside from the freezing cold weather at night, that would be an unreal place for a race.
It will probably be 8-13 celsius at night for the race. Not really warm enough for a night race.