Trudeau Effectively Decriminalizes Drugs in BC

[Buster]

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I don't disagree at all. Addiction is a complex issue.

is it though?

[redline]

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I disagree with you.
Not all junkies are criminals, but most commit petty crime to support their habit.

By all means decriminalize drugs, but if said junky is robbing someone, or stealing, then punish them severely.

you miss understood what i was saying...

if your a junkie (criminal or not) if i cop takes your stash and now you are freaking to get your fix...they more then like just made you a criminal cause you are going to do something extra stupid to get your fix.

and by criminal , i am focusing on the people importing and dealing etc...

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is it though?

it is not a complex problem like masking or women's bodies but pretty complex

[Buster]

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it is not a complex problem like masking or women's bodies but pretty complex

For who? I never see junkies and they don't cause any problems for me.

[JRSC00LUDE]

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Current protocol is full fire engine and four firefighter response + dose of Narcan + EMS to hospital.

1 persons overdose costs tax payers ~$5000+ in responders.

Clearly we pay them too much.

[zechs]

This thread has highlighted to me once again, liberals do not understand basic economics like supply and demand.

Also, the cops are not spending resources on petty drug crime that hinders gang and drug distribution investigation.

The two subjects are unrelated

[ExtraSlow]

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The logic behind laws in Canada is always interesting. Based on how these things are handled:

Drugs - the seller of the product is the problem, not the product or buyers

Guns - the product is the problem, not the sellers or buyers

Prostitution - the buyers of the product are the problem, not the product or sellers

It's wildly inconsistent how these different things are handled. There's a lot of politics and history behind each one, but I'd hope we are converging on an intellectually consistent approach.

[suntan]

Politicians and intellect are mutually exclusive.

[Type_S1]

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It's wildly inconsistent how these different things are handled. There's a lot of politics and history behind each one, but I'd hope we are converging on an intellectually consistent approach.

Agreed, unfortunately with leftist and populism politics, combined with woke-ism, intellectually sound decision making and consistency are no longer existent.

Maybe old Trudeau is on to something here. Next step is to hand out free product leading to overdoses which solves the junkie problem. I walked down east Hastings last month to see how bad the situation is and all I can say is that I’ve seen more civilized and clean areas in 3rd world shanty towns. Not as bad as some of the west coast US shit-holes, but getting there.

[Misterman]

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I’ve always seen drug crimes as a nice catch all way to put people who are a nuisance to society behind bars away from Productive members of society.

Too bad LE have lost that tool in their toolbox.

Reality of the matter is that they just clog up the court system, and they don't spend any meaningful time behind bars. Much more efficient to let police deal with the crime aspect of drug users, and leave the non criminal drug users alone. I have no interest in my tax dollars being wasted on hassling homeless people downtown if they aren't fucking with any of my property.

I don't know about this "safe injection" nonsense though. It's not like a bunch of people are going to just up and start shooting heroin now that it's technically legal. But there needs to be some deterrent to homeless dregs leaving used needles in parks and shit. Maybe if it's legal there will be more availability for safe disposal now?

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Stop treating overdoses

If someone starts a BanNarcan hashtag, I'll hop squarely onto that bandwagon.

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as nothing else would stand a good chance to kill organized crime faster than removing their number 1 resource from the playing field.

So there ARE people who actually believe the government wants to shut down organized crime? Wow, I thought that was just some silly talking point we all laughed about inside when someone says it.

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so who is going to work in the oilfield?

I'd guess it would be all of us same drug free people that have been running this place for years.

Oh right, you're the half closeted socialist that doesn't even know what the oilfield is. "So you work the rigs, right?"

[suntan]

Please bitch the drug users are in the downtown offices.

[OTown]

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Looks like enforcement has been working

Thats the point. There has been no enforcement for simple possession for close to a decade. The cops arent arresting people with small amounts of drugs. If they do, the courts throw out the cases. These are vastly symbolic moves.

Just shows this hands off approach is doing nothing but making the issue worse.

If you want to decriminalize it, then you need to have some way to force people into some sort of safe-house or treatment system. At least the cops in the past could catch a user and keep them semi-accountable through an arrest, jail, an opportunity to sober up, etc. But right now there are no such powers, and its a revolving door and huge waste of emergency services, that ultimately ends with record amounts of ODs.

[killramos]

New concept. Free drugs in jail.

Let the junkies do their thing away from productive members of society.

[Buster]

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New concept. Free drugs in jail.

Let the junkies do their thing away from productive members of society.

This may not incent the behaviour we would like.

[zechs]

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Thats the point. There has been no enforcement for simple possession for close to a decade. The cops arent arresting people with small amounts of drugs. If they do, the courts throw out the cases. These are vastly symbolic moves.

Just shows this hands off approach is doing nothing but making the issue worse.

If you want to decriminalize it, then you need to have some way to force people into some sort of safe-house or treatment system. At least the cops in the past could catch a user and keep them semi-accountable through an arrest, jail, an opportunity to sober up, etc. But right now there are no such powers, and its a revolving door and huge waste of emergency services, that ultimately ends with record amounts of ODs.

100%. And Canada will never enact such laws at it "violates the rights" of the drug users. Same reason mental health hospitals and residential facilities were done away with, because it violated handicapped people's rights. This is the reason there is such a large homeless population in Alberta now but I digress.

[killramos]

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This may not incent the behaviour we would like.

That’s fine.

In the grand scheme of things my tax dollars are spent on. Keeping degenerates away from me is something I can wrap my head around.

More prisons. More prisoners.

[Buster]

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That’s fine.

In the grand scheme of things my tax dollars are spent on. Keeping degenerates away from me is something I can wrap my head around.

More prisons. More prisoners.

im talking about the increase in crime

[Misterman]

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Thats the point. There has been no enforcement for simple possession for close to a decade. The cops arent arresting people with small amounts of drugs. If they do, the courts throw out the cases. These are vastly symbolic moves.

Just shows this hands off approach is doing nothing but making the issue worse.

If you want to decriminalize it, then you need to have some way to force people into some sort of safe-house or treatment system. At least the cops in the past could catch a user and keep them semi-accountable through an arrest, jail, an opportunity to sober up, etc. But right now there are no such powers, and its a revolving door and huge waste of emergency services, that ultimately ends with record amounts of ODs.

I guess we need to define the "issue". It's not the amount of OD's I take issue with personally. It's responding to them.

[zechs]

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More prisons. More prisoners.

I have always found it odd about the conversation around incarceration rates. There are very few people who have been incarcerated that I'm like "oh, that person is a benefit to society".

High incarceration rates with an unbiased judicial system seems the holy grail of social good. Lowering incarceration rates by simply not jailing criminals is such a bassackwards idea.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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I have always found it odd about the conversation around incarceration rates. There are very few people who have been incarcerated that I'm like "oh, that person is a benefit to society".

High incarceration rates with an unbiased judicial system seems the holy grail of social good. Lowering incarceration rates by simply not jailing criminals is such a bassackwards idea.

We need to find a society where whatever they do to rehabilitate criminals works and then do exactly what they are doing.
Because locking them in a box sure doesn't seem to work.

[killramos]

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We need to find a society where whatever they do to rehabilitate criminals works and then do exactly what they are doing.
Because locking them in a box sure doesn't seem to work.

All these silly words like “rehabilitate”.

It all depends what the goal is. Keeping them away from productive members of society seems like a good thing. Prison is great for that.

We should really stop letting them out of prison. And make sure prison sucks enough that going there is enough of a deterrent to keep people on the straight and narrow.