C63 and E63 may get V8 back by 2026

[Xtrema]

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/08/me...d-e63-by-2026/

Citing senior engineers “directly involved in the matter, ” Georg Kacher from Car And Driver suggests that the M177 4.0-liter V8 engine is being reworked to meet the significantly stricter Euro 7 emission standards. According to the report, the current generations of the C-Class and the E-Class need “minor bodywork changes” in order to be compatible with a V8-based PHEV.

[killramos]

Cool. Maybe I’ll buy another Mercedes after all

[shakalaka]

Kinda stupid of them for not figuring this out in the first place and dropping the cylinders from 8, especially for a powerhouse like AMG, but whatever I guess. Better late than never if they still figure it out.

[killramos]

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Kinda stupid of them for not figuring this out in the first place and dropping the cylinders from 8, especially for a powerhouse like AMG, but whatever I guess. Better late than never if they still figure it out.

Or brilliant. Sell a ton of the overpriced 63 4 Cyls then come out with an even more overpriced 73 V8

[Buster]

Probably somewhere in between. The Germans are probably getting a lot of cold water in the face at the moment, as they realize that their brand cache is far more limited than they thought. There are only so many 89coupes in the world that are driven by pure superficial brand awareness. (I guess it's good for Rolex that there is a seemingly unlimited number of Asians).

Maybe BMW and Mercedes would sell more cars if they had a promotion that provides you with a food and drink instagram account that is pre-populated with pictures.

[schocker]

They need to find some weight savings also since generation to generation gained 750 lbs.

[Buster]

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They need to find some weight savings also since generation to generation gained 750 lbs.

People are trying to hang on to the "car guy" thing, but cars as enthusiast things are deeeeaaaaaad.

[jonni44]

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Probably somewhere in between. The Germans are probably getting a lot of cold water in the face at the moment, as they realize that their brand cache is far more limited than they thought. There are only so many 89coupes in the world that are driven by pure superficial brand awareness. (I guess it's good for Rolex that there is a seemingly unlimited number of Asians).

Maybe BMW and Mercedes would sell more cars if they had a promotion that provides you with a food and drink instagram account that is pre-populated with pictures.

So are you Waldorf or Statler?

[max_boost]

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People are trying to hang on to the "car guy" thing, but cars as enthusiast things are deeeeaaaaaad.

I’ve been going to various meets and I think it’s still going quite strong

[rage2]

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Or brilliant. Sell a ton of the overpriced 63 4 Cyls then come out with an even more overpriced 73 V8

They're going to have a huge problem on their hands here. They already paired the P3 hybrid drivetrain with both I4 and V8. They upscaled the V8 hybrid as a 65 replacement (see GT63 vs GT63 E Performance price gap) while the I4 product is the entry level version. The funny thing is, both have very similar performance because the I4 is coupled with the more expensive F1 MGU-H turbocharger, which makes it less laggy than the V8. Everything else remains the same (I think the V8 has a slightly bigger battery for a little more EV range). There's a 100hp gap but the I4 actually weighs significantly less, and the C63 with it is already overweight.

I don't know how they can price the V8 version without canabalizing what the GT63EP, S63EP, and SL63EP is positioned as. Either that or you're right, the C63 V8 EP is going to become way over priced, and will stop competing against the M3/M4 and RS5, which is what they're trying to fix by using the V8? Or they'll detune it, so you get even more weight for same power. There's also rumors that they're pairing the I6 from the 53 to the hybrid drivetrain, originally destined for the E class. So maybe that's an option too. All in all AMG got themselves into a big fucking mess the way they positioned everything.

For the record, I would love the 4 cylinder version. If the CLE63 cab is coming with the hybrid, I'm there, 4, 6 or 8 cylinders.

[killramos]

Meh, mercedes has no problem pricing pretty ordinary cards into the mid to high 200's. Lots of moat for an overpriced C63 with healthy margins.

So long as they see every one they make what do they care, they need as much margin as possible to float their shit electric cars like every other auto maker ( my personal theory for why everything has gotten so expensive, subsidization of unprofitable EV divisions).

[riander5]

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They're going to have a huge problem on their hands here. They already paired the P3 hybrid drivetrain with both I4 and V8. They upscaled the V8 hybrid as a 65 replacement (see GT63 vs GT63 E Performance price gap) while the I4 product is the entry level version. The funny thing is, both have very similar performance because the I4 is coupled with the more expensive F1 MGU-H turbocharger, which makes it less laggy than the V8. Everything else remains the same (I think the V8 has a slightly bigger battery for a little more EV range). There's a 100hp gap but the I4 actually weighs significantly less, and the C63 with it is already overweight.

I don't know how they can price the V8 version without canabalizing what the GT63EP, S63EP, and SL63EP is positioned as. Either that or you're right, the C63 V8 EP is going to become way over priced, and will stop competing against the M3/M4 and RS5, which is what they're trying to fix by using the V8? Or they'll detune it, so you get even more weight for same power. There's also rumors that they're pairing the I6 from the 53 to the hybrid drivetrain, originally destined for the E class. So maybe that's an option too. All in all AMG got themselves into a big fucking mess the way they positioned everything.

For the record, I would love the 4 cylinder version. If the CLE63 cab is coming with the hybrid, I'm there, 4, 6 or 8 cylinders.

Classic Nissan Rogue enthusiast!

[Xtrema]

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/08/me...er-in-germany/

Based on information gathered from German dealers, MB Passion Blog reports that orders for the electrified performance sedan are currently hovering “close to zero”. Dealers are of the opinion that the subdued interest in the C63 S stems from the fact that its BMW rival offers superior value in terms of powertrain, pricing, and premium quality.

[killramos]

Spoke to a dealer on the weekend about a V8 C63.

Sounds like they are getting ready to open up orders.

[heavyD]

Ouch. I would hate to be one of the decision makers at MB that thought a 4-cylinder hybrid was a good idea for this type of car.

[killramos]

It’s not all good.

MB has drawn a line in the sand that V8 AMG’s aren’t going to be cheap. A 200k C63 is pretty spicey.

[riander5]

Ugly BMW
Unaffordable Mercedes
Exploding Audi

Take your pick.

[killramos]

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Ugly BMW
Unaffordable Mercedes
Exploding Audi

Take your pick.

You are far from wrong

[riander5]

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You are far from wrong

I never thought I'd say it but... gun to my head I think i'd pick Audi

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Audi makes something relevant still???