Because caring about one is caring about the structure of society. Caring about the other is not.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Because caring about one is caring about the structure of society. Caring about the other is not.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
exactly, when it comes to a choice that has a massive impact on the person's life making the choice, and practically zero impact on the person opposing it....This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
and then when they cant afford to take care of the kid, those same people are like "nope, socialism, you did it, it's your problem"
Oh, and then they blame their abortion beleifs on the most famous socialist that ever existed.
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This is a human rights issue, is it not? Is anyone here not in favour of human rights?
You'll have to clarify what position you think does the most to protect human rights. The posters above can't agree on that point.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Exactly, the right to choose for yourself is an integral right and should be inalienable to every person of fully developed faculties. Nice to see you on the side of common sense.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I don't think I've ever heard Karl Marx mentioned in this endless circle jerk.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Once again another useless post by JRSCOOLDUDE.
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Don't let the e-thugs and faggots get to you when they quote your posts and write stupid shit.^^ Fact CheckedOriginally posted by JRSC00LUDE
I say stupid shit all the time.
It should be first defined as to who a human is, that is, what makes a human a human.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
What do you mean by "every person of fully developed faculties"? Do those with down syndrome have fully developed faculties? What about toddlers? Since the human brain isn't really fully developed until age 25, what about an 18-year-old? Should those with less than fully developed faculties be able to make any choices at all for themselves?This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You realize we all knew you were going down this predictable path based on religious zealotism and I just felt like goading you on to safe us all from the "clever" setup, right? We all know your position and it's a fine one for you to have, until it's forced on someone else. And now you'll say the murder crazed mother is forcing her beliefs on a person and taking away their rights, then you'll try to manipulate logic to support your position and decry everyone else's and blah blah blah. The endless debate continues.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
That's enough for me, I've found the brief entertainment I had sought. You may now continue to beat the dead horse with whomever wants to keep going. It's your right after all.
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Once again another useless post by JRSCOOLDUDE.
Originally posted by snowcat
Don't let the e-thugs and faggots get to you when they quote your posts and write stupid shit.^^ Fact CheckedOriginally posted by JRSC00LUDE
I say stupid shit all the time.
What path, anti-abortion? You do realize there are atheist organizations that are against abortion based on logic, reason, and science, correct? Show me one thing I stated or asked that is religious.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Is all that just an excuse to not answer any questions I asked? There is one and only one question that needs to be answered to settle the entire debate: What are the unborn?This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Just as it is yours to ignore logic, reason, and science as it applies to this issue.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It depends how far along the pregnancy is.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I see peoples right over their body as being absoluteThis quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The government can't force me to give life saving bone marrow or a liver to a person who needs a transplant
so... by the same token, a woman can't be expected to sacrifice her body to give life saving support to a fetus
If I try to imagine a scenario where my refusal results in another persons death... maybe if my arm was crushed beneath a car that was perched on the edge of a bridge. If I remove my arm, the car falls and people inside perish. I am still entitled to remove my arm, its mine, and you can't have it
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like covid? haha not wearing a mask or getting a vaxx was gonna kill grandma broThis quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I am user #49Originally posted by rage2
Shit, there's only 49 users here, I doubt we'll even break 100
Would it change anything if in this example it was your arm that resulted in the car being perched on the edge of a bridge in the first place?This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Really? So, male and female human DNA mix, creating a new, unique human DNA. Around the end of the third week, the embryo has its own blood, the type of which can be different than the mother's. If all things go as they should, a zygote, which apparently isn't human, eventually becomes fully formed human having the same DNA. At which subjective point does the fetus suddenly go from non-human to human?This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As the courts seem to have decided, when the fetus is viable outside the womb.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It's just a bowl of batter until it's been in the oven long enough, then it becomes cake.
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And yet a woman who abandons a baby is guilty of homicide. Do you feel that it is a "woman's right" to allow an infant to die through inaction?This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
From my point of view, rights over body are absolute. So whatever lead to that situation is irrelevantThis quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
That falls under not providing the necessities of life as a parent.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
However if you have to sacrifice your body to provide necessities of life, then: rights over your own body > providing the necessities
same as if you had to provide daily blood infusions to your newborn baby to keep it alive and you just decided not to. The baby might need it, but rights over your own body govern over that need.
How do they define viability?This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Do the courts decide when life begins? Shouldn't that be science? Should we be letting courts decide who is and isn't human? Shouldn't that be science and philosophy and reason? It was, after all, once legal to own and kill slaves, to treat them as property, and to kill Jews in Germany. It doesn't seem to me that simply trusting court decisions isn't always a good way to go.
There is one idea that runs through abortion, the Atlantic Slave Trade, the Holocaust, modern day human trafficking, and many other times in history where one people group was targeted by one or more other groups: define a specific group of humans as less than human ("savages," "not viable," etc.) so that you can justify all manner of harmful actions towards that group. If they're (supposedly) less than human, then they don't have to be treated as human.
Three problems with the viability argument are 1) that viability is an entirely arbitrary concept, 2) viability keeps getting earlier and earlier (with little or no change in laws; surprise!), and 3) depending on how one defines viability, it could mean that we could kill all sorts of people.
This is fallaciously begging the question as to what the unborn are.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
When is it ever the case that a pregnant woman is sacrificing her body to provide necessities of life?This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
the several cases right now in the US that the mother's life is at risk if the child is carried to term and they wont let her reduce/mitigate her risk at the expense of the unborn.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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A viable fetus, by definition, does not "require" the mother, and yet it is destroyed as part of an abortion process. In other words, it is not the separation with the mother that is the issue, but rather the destruction of the fetus that is the issue. Your argument is invalid.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote