The ABORTION thread.

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Can we gas some of the dangerous zombies downtown as well? Or at least send them to Russia?

[Sugarphreak]

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A viable fetus, by definition, does not "require" the mother, and yet it is destroyed as part of an abortion process. In other words, it is not the separation with the mother that is the issue, but rather the destruction of the fetus that is the issue. Your argument is invalid.

This seems like splitting hairs. We will have to disagree on this point.

Whatever point of view you take, you have to test it to the extreme case to see if it works. Going with the concept of pro-life, when tested to the extreme case, it results in people basically becoming slaves to others based on needs. You can try to moderate this view, but a true philosophical idea needs to be rung out like this.

It just depends on what you want your world to look like... in extremes, you have people coldly turning away from others and letting them die, while on the other you have people sacrificing their lives for the sake of others. The problem with the later is deterring who decides who sacrifices what. At least with the first approach we are all on equal standing, while the second will always involve some sort of corruption or special interest group.

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This is fallaciously begging the question as to what the unborn are.

When is it ever the case that a pregnant woman is sacrificing her body to provide necessities of life?

Anytime one organism is dependent on another, the host is sacrificing

You can describe it by any other name that makes you feel more comfortable, but if you want to cut right to the point, this is a good word.

[Buster]

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This seems like splitting hairs. We will have to disagree on this point.

Whatever point of view you take, you have to test it to the extreme case to see if it works. Going with the concept of pro-life, when tested to the extreme case, it results in people basically becoming slaves to others based on needs. You can try to moderate this view, but a true philosophical idea needs to be rung out like this.

It just depends on what you want your world to look like... in extremes, you have people coldly turning away from others and letting them die, while on the other you have people sacrificing their lives for the sake of others. The problem with the later is deterring who decides who sacrifices what. At least with the first approach we are all on equal standing, while the second will always involve some sort of corruption or special interest group.



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Being an absolutist about a woman's right to do anything to her body when that "anything" is aborting a late term fetus, is the extremist view. Because her right to do "anything" to her body, may not (should not), include doing "anything" to the fetus' body. At some point the fetus becomes viable, and most reasonable people assume that is the point where the fetus' right to life exceeds the woman's right to bodily autonomy. Not all rights are equal.

And yes, splitting hairs is required. Because a fetus gains "humanity" over time, but an abortion is a binary decision. So it is by definition a hair splitting exercise.

[Thaco]

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Being an absolutist about a woman's right to do anything to her body when that "anything" is aborting a late term fetus, is the extremist view. Because her right to do "anything" to her body, may not (should not), include doing "anything" to the fetus' body. At some point the fetus becomes viable, and most reasonable people assume that is the point where the fetus' right to life exceeds the woman's right to bodily autonomy. Not all rights are equal.

And yes, splitting hairs is required. Because a fetus gains "humanity" over time, but an abortion is a binary decision. So it is by definition a hair splitting exercise.

Curious your thoughts on a late term abortion which would be required to save the mother's life. At that point is the unborn child's life more valuable than the mother?

[Buster]

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At that point is the unborn child's life more valuable than the mother?

No.