Shaw Layoffs ?

[nzwasp]

If shaw have offered the packages to 6500 people then they have determined that they don't need all those people imho.

What I would like to know or be interested to find out - say you have a team of 10 people doing IT Database support for example. Would they of given 10 offers to that team knowing that they could lose their whole support team or only offer to say 5 people in the team.

[lasimmon]

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If you sign up for a job in this day and age without knowing your terms of severance, or that being negotiated... hey, that's your business Or if you accept that you'll get nothing more than mandated by gov regulation, again, that's fine. Just be aware of what it is is all.

If only there wasn't something called Common Law that protects your from getting government minimums...

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If shaw have offered the packages to 6500 people then they have determined that they don't need all those people imho.

What I would like to know or be interested to find out - say you have a team of 10 people doing IT Database support for example. Would they of given 10 offers to that team knowing that they could lose their whole support team or only offer to say 5 people in the team.

They have said they only expect 10% to take the offer. I am sure its a little bit of a gamble, and if all of the people offered took it I don't think they would be happy.

[bjstare]

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Just curious, what type of companies do you work for? I could understand if it's a union, small company, executive level or contract based. I've personally only ever worked for large public companies as a permanent full-time employee and never had that as part of the discussion. I can't imagine that a large company would negotiate that for all of it's thousands (or tens of thousands) of employees.

Does taking a package exclude you from EI when severance runs out, since it's voluntary?

I've worked for a couple big companies (one with tens of thousands, current has hundreds of thousands), and they both had terms laid out. Whether they're negotiable or not often depends on the seniority of your role/how valuable (read: replaceable) you are. If you aren't that senior, there's higher odds you're easily replaceable, and they won't negotiate.

[Xtrema]

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What I would like to know or be interested to find out - say you have a team of 10 people doing IT Database support for example. Would they of given 10 offers to that team knowing that they could lose their whole support team or only offer to say 5 people in the team.

Subject to final approval. If the whole department decided to take the package, the manger better have an outsource plan ready. Depends on if the DBAs are just DBAs or actually have insight to the business apps, it's probably one of the easier jobs to outsource along with server/network admin and helpdesk people.

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Does taking a package exclude you from EI when severance runs out, since it's voluntary?

As long as employer file it as work force reduction, you will still qualify for EI.

https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-...job.html#force

[HiTempguy1]

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hightemp = government union

I've also worked for other corporations besides gov And I know a lot of people in a variety of positions in O&G, from low level labourers to management.

It all depends is the answer.

[nzwasp]

I was wondering about the EI thing too as my wife was wondering if she should "take" a package. I would think opting in for a package at some companies would exclude you from ei as you are essentially quitting.

[Swank]

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What I would like to know or be interested to find out - say you have a team of 10 people doing IT Database support for example. Would they of given 10 offers to that team knowing that they could lose their whole support team or only offer to say 5 people in the team.

Maybe they'd offer it to 10 and say the offer expires after 5 people accept

[CompletelyNumb]

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Maybe they'd offer it to 10 and say the offer expires after 5 people accept

Hunger Games here we come.

[suntan]

They'll have a deadline for the voluntary severance. Then they'll sift through them all and keep the people they want to keep.

[Swank]

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Hunger Games here we come.

I'd pay to watch that

[holden]

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I'd pay to watch that

Is this going to be Shaw’s new programming? All their employees in a Battle Royale?

[Disoblige]

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Is this going to be Shaw’s new programming? All their employees in a Battle Royale?

Royal Rumble

[speedog]

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They'll have a deadline for the voluntary severance. Then they'll sift through them all and keep the people they want to keep.

Are there any unionized staff at Shaw?

[Chester]

Not in Calgary. Vancouver, yes.

[speedog]

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Not in Calgary. Vancouver, yes.

So that should mean there are probably some different rules for the Vancouver unionized people.

[Xtrema]

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So that should mean there are probably some different rules for the Vancouver unionized people.

They did negotiate a deal before laying off USW workers in Windsor.

Of course, after hearing the buy out deal, they are all bitching that their union only got them only 8 day per year of service. Shaw tell them to go pound sands since their union sign off on it. USW seems to rep workers in BC too.

Sounds like employees think taking the package is good way to go.

The employee MobileSyrup spoke with added that the company might have more takers for its buyout offer than expected. Their own “conservative estimate,” based on conversations with fellow employees, is 25 percent. Another long-term employee says they’re sure the number of takers will be higher at their location too, unless the company gives employees more information about their future.

https://mobilesyrup.com/2018/01/31/s...-buyout-offer/

[speedog]

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They did negotiate a deal before laying off USW workers in Windsor.

Of course, after hearing the buy out deal, they are all bitching that their union only got them only 8 day per year of service. Shaw tell them to go pound sands since their union sign off on it. USW seems to rep workers in BC too.

Sounds like employees think taking the package is good way to go.




https://mobilesyrup.com/2018/01/31/s...-buyout-offer/

Maybe the unionized employees that are bitching should have been more involved - it's always so easy to point fingers after the fact.

TELUS has also been trimming the fat but that is pretty much a regular thing at TELUS now.

[dandia89]

As long as employer file it as work force reduction, you will still qualify for EI.

https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-...job.html#force[/QUOTE]

you have to be careful, sometimes employers will classify the ROE as "Quit" so when you review the severance package, have them put the proper term in so you don't get boned for EI.

[dirtsniffer]

but if you are getting 2 years of severance it is going to take a long ass time to qualify for ei.

[dandia89]

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but if you are getting 2 years of severance it is going to take a long ass time to qualify for ei.

yeah, very true. but at least worst case scenario EI is in place if you get nothing. I know plenty of people (lack of ambition or economy is that rough) who have been out of work >2 years