Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV/COVID-19)

[FraserB]

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Why does this matter at all to some people? I took a picture of my 2nd Vax paperwork and just show it to people on my phone. Never once had an issue at hockey, job site or the pub. Who cares about an actual passport or QR code it's completely useless.

Because the people who want a QR code and only a QR code would have everyone believe that there will be rampant fraud without it.

[Xtrema]

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I for one would not want my dob, name, and ab health number available so publicly I.e. built into a qr code. No thanks.

That's not how this works.

A functioning QR code system will have less data leak than showing random bouncer your DL.

[finboy]

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That's not how this works.

A functioning QR code system will have less data leak than showing random bouncer your DL.

*assuming they only do a QR code

[Kloubek]

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Devil’s advocate, the experts also claimed that covid could not have come from a lab.

Well, let's face it. There's been lots of guidance from the experts that proved questionable. We believed that surfaces were a significant contributor of the virus, but then discovered that they were not. We were all told to wear masks, yet we still don't have conclusive information on exactly how effective they really are. Governments went into panic mode as soon as the 1st wave started happening, and in retrospect that was an overkill reaction which cost the economy dearly. I think we can conclude that the feds financially supported the public TOO much, in that people were and are opting not to work at all. (I believe it should have been wage-based). We found out the AZ vaccine wasn't the best option, and now those who got it early when it was the first one available (as the government and experts suggested) that it is now causing problems and they aren't as protected.

Science and experts are not infallible. In fact, the very nature of science is to change ideas as more information becomes available. It's the best understanding we have at the time, dictated by people more intelligent than you or I, typically with a lot of history and knowledge on the subject. They were rushed to provide guidance for the entire public to follow, without truly knowing enough. As the dynamic situation changes and more is learned, the guidance changes. As you mentioned, I don't think all this does us any favours as it pertains to how the anti-vax crowd perceives the vaccine. Or the virus itself, for that matter. When they say "The vaccine can make you sick", it's technically true and the fact the negative instances have been kept pretty quiet isn't helping. Now, does it make you more sick than Covid itself? All evidence says "clearly not". But if they are so staunch in their positioning when they don't even have a valid point to make, one can imagine the stubbornness that ensues when there IS a little evidence to support their position.

Personally, I'm going to continue to follow guidance, since it's at least the closest thing to the truth we know.

[Xtrema]

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*assuming they only do a QR code

BC requires everyone over 12 to show vaccine card. And anyone over 18 to show vaccine card and a piece of government ID. QR code has your name attached and Government ID check to make sure you are proper owner of QR code.

Nothing is stored with QR code or app. Verification app checks central DB only for vax status. DOB is not even exposed.

Now the only thing that I can fathom they do more is adding geotag on the verification app to check for potential multiple use of QR code at multiple locations within a limited time period. Kinda like Pokemon Go antispoof mechanism.

[finboy]

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Well, let's face it. There's been lots of guidance from the experts that proved questionable. We believed that surfaces were a significant contributor of the virus, but then discovered that they were not. We were all told to wear masks, yet we still don't have conclusive information on exactly how effective they really are. Governments went into panic mode as soon as the 1st wave started happening, and in retrospect that was an overkill reaction which cost the economy dearly. I think we can conclude that the feds financially supported the public TOO much, in that people were and are opting not to work at all. (I believe it should have been wage-based). We found out the AZ vaccine wasn't the best option, and now those who got it early when it was the first one available (as the government and experts suggested) that it is now causing problems and they aren't as protected.

Science and experts are not infallible. In fact, the very nature of science is to change ideas as more information becomes available. It's the best understanding we have at the time, dictated by people more intelligent than you or I, typically with a lot of history and knowledge on the subject. They were rushed to provide guidance for the entire public to follow, without truly knowing enough. As the dynamic situation changes and more is learned, the guidance changes. As you mentioned, I don't think all this does us any favours as it pertains to how the anti-vax crowd perceives the vaccine. Or the virus itself, for that matter. When they say "The vaccine can make you sick", it's technically true and the fact the negative instances have been kept pretty quiet isn't helping. Now, does it make you more sick than Covid itself? All evidence says "clearly not". But if they are so staunch in their positioning when they don't even have a valid point to make, one can imagine the stubbornness that ensues when there IS a little evidence to support their position.

Personally, I'm going to continue to follow guidance, since it's at least the closest thing to the truth we know.

The issue is that scientists/epidemiologists/etc. are not the ones calling the shots, they provide suggestions then our elected officials and appointed government bureaucrats filter things through policy, which clumsily disseminates the impacts to our lives.

Simplicity would be:
1. Offer vaccines
2. If people don’t want to get vaccinated, and they get hospitalized, they get reprioritized from other icu cases
3. Go on with life

[Xtrema]

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The issue is that scientists/epidemiologists/etc. are not the ones calling the shots, they provide suggestions then our elected officials and appointed government bureaucrats filter things through policy, which clumsily disseminates the impacts to our lives.

Simplicity would be:
1. Offer vaccines
2. If people don’t want to get vaccinated, and they get hospitalized, they get reprioritized from other icu cases
3. Go on with life

Nobody got the balls to publicly say #2 tho.

[finboy]

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Nobody got the balls to publicly say #2 tho.

Make the 80% suffer for the 20%, peak Canada

[Buster]

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Nobody got the balls to publicly say #2 tho.

I've been saying it for months.

[flipstah]

Does triage mean smothering the unvaccinated?

[finboy]

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Does triage mean smothering the unvaccinated?

If by smother you mean letting them drown in their own lung fluid *if* there is no capacity available, then yes

[killramos]

Yea smothering is actually more medical care than I want to give them.

They can choke on their own pillow at home.

[ExtraSlow]

Bradley Cooper cloned sniper army?

[Kloubek]

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The issue is that scientists/epidemiologists/etc. are not the ones calling the shots, they provide suggestions then our elected officials and appointed government bureaucrats filter things through policy, which clumsily disseminates the impacts to our lives.

Simplicity would be:
1. Offer vaccines
2. If people don’t want to get vaccinated, and they get hospitalized, they get reprioritized from other icu cases
3. Go on with life

True enough. There certainly has been a disconnect between the two since this started.

#2 would be a challenge. And, in fact, might be challengable under the Charter as well. If these people complain that going to a restaurant is a "right", you better believe chaos will ensue if they get denied medical care.

[finboy]

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True enough. There certainly has been a disconnect between the two since this started.

#2 would be a challenge. And, in fact, might be challengable under the Charter as well. If these people complain that going to a restaurant is a "right", you better believe chaos will ensue if they get denied medical care.

I’d rather a court challenge then the ambiguity we see today for everyone who chose to get vaccinated, and by the time it gets through the courts we could have natural herd immunity from covid ripping through the rest of the population. The downsides aren’t really making themselves evident IMO.

[killramos]

Medical care is a right?

[SportEL]

President of Croatia Says We will Not be Vaccinated Anymore



Croatians have been “vaccinated enough” and should be allowed to accept the risks of becoming infected with COVID on their own terms, according to President Zoran Milanović.

President Milanović broke with the majority of his contemporaries in expressing frustration over medical authoritarianism and COVID hysteria pushed by the mainstream media and globalists.

“Croatia is ‘not sufficiently vaccinated,’ unlike the E.U. average. We are only at 50 percent,” Milanović said in recent statements to the press. “I don’t care. We’re vaccinated enough and everyone knows it.”

“We need to know what the goal of this frenzy is. If the goal is to completely eradicate the virus, then we have the goal. I have not heard that this is the goal. If someone tells me it’s a goal, I will tell him he’s out of his mind.”

“I start every day with CNN and those few channels and I wonder if I am normal or are they crazy,” he said. “They spread panic. They do it from the beginning.”

“There is no life without risk, without the possibility of getting sick. People get sick from a thousand other more serious things, and while that’s happening we’ve been talking about COVID-19 for a year and a half.”

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Medical care is a right?

Tommy Douglas said it was. Depends how you interpret “timely” and “appropriate”.

[Kloubek]

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Medical care is a right?

Again, we're talking about the perspective of the "other side". If they pay their taxes, a chunk of it goes to the medical system. If they then don't have access to that system, then I can see there being a case to be made that they are being unfairly treated. Is it an actual "right"? Maybe, maybe not. But you better believe that "they" will strongly believe it is.

[Buster]

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Again, we're talking about the perspective of the "other side". If they pay their taxes, a chunk of it goes to the medical system. If they then don't have access to that system, then I can see there being a case to be made that they are being unfairly treated. Is it an actual "right"? Maybe, maybe not. But you better believe that "they" will strongly believe it is.

At best your tax contribution towards the medical system is some form of insurance. And insurance payouts aren't guaranteed, they are contingent.