The new BMW look

[riander5]

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Why would you downgrade from a C63 to an M3 though?

Whats a downgrade from C63 to M3 in your opinion, other than HP?

[Buster]

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Whats a downgrade from C63 to M3 in your opinion, other than HP?

I prefer the motor in the mercedes, and the interior (but thats opinion).

[riander5]

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I prefer the motor in the mercedes, and the interior (but thats opinion).

Agreed on the engine forsure. I wonder if those C63's will hold value a bit better in the long run since merc is purportedly switching to that I4 / Hybrid setup

[Buster]

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Agreed on the engine forsure. I wonder if those C63's will hold value a bit better in the long run since merc is purportedly switching to that I4 / Hybrid setup

that's just gross.

[bjstare]

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If hindsight was 20/20

Long day?

[killramos]

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Long day?

I guess lol.

[BavarianBeast]

The S65 kicks the shit out of the M156 imo.

You can also get a 6mt or proper dct on the E92.. 10 times out of 10 I would go for an e9x M3 over any M156 amg. M3 over C63 is an upgrade for a drivers car.

[killramos]

I quite liked my M177

[Buster]

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The S65 kicks the shit out of the M156 imo.

You can also get a 6mt or proper dct on the E92.. 10 times out of 10 I would go for an e9x M3 over any M156 amg. M3 over C63 is an upgrade for a drivers car.

I think what he is saying is that you have to go back to at least an E92 to get a BMW that's desirable. Once you move into the V8TT world, then AMG leaves BMW in the dust. The M177/M178 are way better than anything BMW is putting out.

[BavarianBeast]

Yeah my bad, I forgot that Kilramos had the 4.0TT.

I agree

[Buster]

BMW is such a train-wreck right now. It makes me sad, since I grew up loving the brand in the from the 80s onwards. But right now, at this point in history, there is not a single BMW that would I buy (with the exception of maybe the X7). In ever segment, there is a better option than BMW. E63 and RS6 are both better than the M5. The M2 is good, but old and at $100K for the CS, you are competing against better cars. 3 and 4 series? gross. Now their marketing department is jumping into the action to make the company look even more dumb.

[dirtsniffer]

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...he-718-cayman/

spoiler... the m2cs loses to supra, gt350 and 718

[killramos]

It’s god damned depressing really.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I guess there’s a reason the pre E90/92/93 BMW market has seen a large uptick in prices in many cases. I’m thinking about picking up a 6 speed M6 before it’s too late and they go crazy too.

[Buster]

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I guess there’s a reason the pre E90/92/93 BMW market has seen a large uptick in prices in many cases. I’m thinking about picking up a 6 speed M6 before it’s too late and they go crazy too.

Those things are giant pieces of shit. (No offense to anyone that owns one).

[killramos]

E6X M6’s?

Definitely an acquired taste.

[Buster]

Ya, if you like to rebuilt blown up V10s.

[dirtsniffer]

is the S65 more reliable than the s85? I thought it was the smg that enjoyed being a piece of shit?

[killramos]

My understanding is the S85 isn’t terribly unreliable on its own (hence why people like the manuals if you can find one). Expensive to fix yes but not unreliable. Standard BMW.

The SMG is bad for a whole laundry list of reasons.

[Buster]

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is the S65 more reliable than the s85? I thought it was the smg that enjoyed being a piece of shit?

By process of elimination yes

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My understanding is the S85 isn’t terribly unreliable on its own (hence why people like the manuals if you can find one). Expensive to fix yes but not unreliable. Standard BMW.

The SMG is bad for a whole laundry list of reasons.

I thought the S85 ate themselves. Maybe I have it wrong.