2022 VW Golf R (Mk8)

[flipstah]

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HVAC is just one example. But there was a video that came out a little while going over either a base or GTI version of the mk8 and functions that are currently a physical button push in my mk7.5 (like driving mode select, for example) is now several layers deep in the touchscreen menus. That's the BS that's going to be a big negative on this new gen car.

Ah fair enough. I guess only way to know is to play around with MK8 when it gets here.

Can't be as bad as the LR Discovery menu system. That is a great example of crappy intuitiveness.

[Xtrema]

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HVAC is just one example. But there was a video that came out a little while going over either a base or GTI version of the mk8 and functions that are currently a physical button push in my mk7.5 (like driving mode select, for example) is now several layers deep in the touchscreen menus. That's the BS that's going to be a big negative on this new gen car.

Top Gear:



I think MB got it right with this wheel.


1 dial for drive profile and 2 buttons for the other 2 settings of your choosing.

This haptic/touch screen future sucks. Caddy already tried it and backed out. Sad that the Germans are all repeating the same mistakes.

[never]

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I could see myself hanging out with you more if you do.

I could see myself getting excited about that!

[ExtraSlow]

I can see that.

[heavyD]

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Did someone say fuckin 50-Grand?!!? LoL!! Bring back my '84 Turbo Diesel or my '83 GTI and call er a day.
This is a sporty economy car that lost its way decades ago. Paging Honda Civic.

It's an S3 in Golf sheetmetal and I imagine the next gen STI will be at a similar price point. The difference being that the Golf R doesn't give up anything performance-wise and is a mature car that comes without the stigma of driving a car typically associated with 20-something year olds donning flat brimmed hats. Even at $50k it's still good value for what you get in an age where a Mazda 3 sport with torsion beam rear axle retails for $39k.

[cam_wmh]

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Yeah I wouldn't mind owning one of these again. That said this time I would wait for the mid-model refresh as IMO MK7.5's were nicer inside and out compared to MK7.

I did both a 7 & 7.5 and while timelines would be better for me (2024), I don't anticipate VW doing so again. 7.5 was first mid-model refresh the R has had. And it was rather simplistic in a techno update.

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Pretty sure the steering wheel buttons are touch sensitive also so you cannot escape it except for voice control.

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Ya I think the steering wheel is a touch for volume at least.

Oh fuck, I hope not. Where did you guys read that? I mean here's a close-up, and those glossy buttons, imo could go either way.

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Not far off that lol

*google-fu*

S4 Quoted as 4.7 seconds

718... Also quoted as 4.7 seconds

Just one number, but still hilarious

The prev gen R is actually, 4.5s. And if I were to spitball, the 8 @ 4.4s

[danno]

Carwow I think not sure it was a gti or regular golf.

[cam_wmh]

Replying to my own post.
FUCK sakes, they are haptic touch-based buttons. Watched the First Drive video above @ 3:05

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I did both a 7 & 7.5 and while timelines would be better for me (2024), I don't anticipate VW doing so again. 7.5 was first mid-model refresh the R has had. And it was rather simplistic in a techno update.

Huh? Front end re-styled, LED headlights and rear tail lights, Full digital cockpit replacing traditional gauges, larger and better infotainment screen, 7-speed DSG replacing 6-speed, etc. IMO one of the more comprehensive mid model refreshes I have seen on any vehicle and more akin to a BMW LCI upgrade. Not to mention the Haldex diff was revised numerous times since the release of the MK7. Definitely much better off with an MK7.5.

[dimi]

Isn't that something vagcom/vcds could disable?

[Xtrema]

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Oh fuck, I hope not. Where did you guys read that? I mean here's a close-up, and those glossy buttons, imo could go either way.

Just watch that Top Gear video. Everything vertical are touch/haptic. Everything horizonal are good old button/switches.

There are no buttons/physical switches on the steering wheel.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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It's an S3 in Golf sheetmetal and I imagine the next gen STI will be at a similar price point. The difference being that the Golf R doesn't give up anything performance-wise and is a mature car that comes without the stigma of driving a car typically associated with 20-something year olds donning flat brimmed hats. Even at $50k it's still good value for what you get in an age where a Mazda 3 sport with torsion beam rear axle retails for $39k.

It has its place in the market; but, it left the market that it was in forever ago. It evolved away from a cheap car that had a little pep into where it is today. I haven't evolved enough to say "that's still a sporty Golf" because it's not really in its original category.
Maybe they would've discontinued it if they stayed around battling with a Sentra SE-R or whatever else is in that segment, today.

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It has its place in the market; but, it left the market that it was in forever ago. It evolved away from a cheap car that had a little pep into where it is today. I haven't evolved enough to say "that's still a sporty Golf" because it's not really in its original category.
Maybe they would've discontinued it if they stayed around battling with a Sentra SE-R or whatever else is in that segment, today.

The category hasn't changed as the price to get into the category simply went up. Civic Type R is now $46k so we are at a time when a FWD vehicle can command near $50k. Nissan SE-R was never in this category ever as at best it's in the same category as a Civic Si so I'm not sure what you are talking about here. You realize this is a Golf R thread and not a GTI thread right?

[Mitsu3000gt]

If you looked at total cost of ownership instead of MSRP, I bet these end up being some of the cheapest cars you can buy along with the outgoing Golf R and current CTR. They may cost ~$45K but you barely lose any money over 3-4 years.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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The category hasn't changed as the price to get into the category simply went up. Civic Type R is now $46k so we are at a time when a FWD vehicle can command near $50k. Nissan SE-R was never in this category ever as at best it's in the same category as a Civic Si so I'm not sure what you are talking about here. You realize this is a Golf R thread and not a GTI thread right?

Sorry if I'm explaining shitty. It seems super clear in my head, so it's always good to realize that maybe I'm failing to communicate properly.

The "cheap car with some sportiness" segment kept existing. That's why I brought up the SE-R* as an example. The nicer Golf cars like the GTI and the R left that segment many many many years ago. They became much heavier along with faster and more feature-laden until you're looking at a car that's $50k.
The current car is so radically different from its roots, that it feels weird to say "this is a Golf".

*Awaits argument from someone else that the SE-R finished in 2012.

[never]

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They became much heavier along with faster and more feature-laden...

Doesn't this essentially describe how every model has progressed since the 80s/90s?

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Doesn't this essentially describe how every model has progressed since the 80s/90s?

Hmmmm, I'd have to think about that. How many models are actually in production from, let's say, 35 years ago?
Corolla, Golf, Civic, Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, Nissan Z, Jetta, Accord, Maxima... Running out of easy ones.

Out of those, is say the American ones are still in the same segment they've always been in. Perhaps also the Accord, Maxima and Corolla.
The others have certainly moved, I think.

[flipstah]

The A35 is better packaged if it’s around 50-60k

[cam_wmh]

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Huh? Front end re-styled, LED headlights and rear tail lights, Full digital cockpit replacing traditional gauges, larger and better infotainment screen, 7-speed DSG replacing 6-speed, etc. IMO one of the more comprehensive mid model refreshes I have seen on any vehicle and more akin to a BMW LCI upgrade. Not to mention the Haldex diff was revised numerous times since the release of the MK7. Definitely much better off with an MK7.5.

Ya know, you're right. I did sell the update short (alot).

[94boosted]

MB is pushing 380-415hp out of a 2.0T and the best VW can manage is 315hp, I'm a bit disappointed. That being said a torque vectoring rear diff is a welcome addition.