Wine - expensive vs cheap is there a difference?

[davidI]

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I believe this was a team effort, cause my writing isn’t that legible, especially after drinking

The pingus and Marques de caceres are tough to compare with that age difference though, something that old is so viscous that the mouthfeel is a real standout... well, for me at least, probably borderline over oxidized for some

Sweet. I'm near Ribera del Duero so Rioja wines are a bit sacrilege here but I'll track down that Marques de Caceres - I think it's quite common. Faustina's are also typically very good for the price - my in-laws serve it a lot at their restaurant in Marbella and typically bring 1.5L bottles when they come to visit.

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If you really want to make enemies go take this discussion to the scotch thread. I don't have the balls for that.

Bring it on over. I'm a big fan of a lot of affordable whiskies and will shit all over some of the more recently popular whiskies that are decreasing in quality and increasing in price (Japanese, Laphroaig, Macallen, etc.)

[Buster]

guys, just post your vivino or cellartracker list and get this flex underway properly.

[Darkane]

Mi Terruno 2019
Uvas Malbec
Mendoza, Argentina
91 Points
James Suckling

This is a very serious style of Malbec at a ridiculously low price. Really fresh and delicious. You can't do better than this for under $10.

"A little tight, but very attractive cherry and orange-peel character. Medium body. Fresh finish."
- James Suckling

$9.49
Save Over 50%
(reg $19.99)

Right from my highlander boxing week flyer. That is a great wine for $10.

Those are the kinds of wines the “pros” can’t tell over a $100 bottle.

[ercchry]

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guys, just post your vivino or cellartracker list and get this flex underway properly.

I’m awful at tracking anything, we use to do an event every other week at willowpark during event season in the before times... and this Spanish thing me is the only thing I seem to have successfully documented

I’m also stuck in an Ilerian peninsula phase... just doesn’t have the same premium as the super Tuscans and Bordeaux tax. Find it harder and harder to justify the French and Italian prices

[Disoblige]

Anything under $18 and rated over 3.7 on vivino and I'm sold.
Never failed me so far

[ercchry]

Did a fridge audit:

Drank too much of the good bottles vs replenishing them, whoops
Appear to actually be drinking more Chilean wine currently?
French and Italy game is weak
The Kirkland Rioja wasn’t bad, haven’t tried the other one yet. tasted very familiar. Still trying to pinpoint what it’s a rebottling of, but seems like it should be a grand reserva based on the description? It’s pretty heavily oaked

[killramos]

Is that some Instagram shit?

[ercchry]

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Is that some Instagram shit?

Just for you guys

But yes, I’ve been using layout to reduce amount of individual uploads today

[Buster]

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I’m awful at tracking anything, we use to do an event every other week at willowpark during event season in the before times... and this Spanish thing me is the only thing I seem to have successfully documented

I’m also stuck in an Ilerian peninsula phase... just doesn’t have the same premium as the super Tuscans and Bordeaux tax. Find it harder and harder to justify the French and Italian prices

Vivino is easy. Takes two seconds.

[ercchry]

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Vivino is easy. Takes two seconds.

I know... I have it, just awful at keep up with it, I appear to have scanned 5 bottles over a 2 day span in April, and that’s about it haha. Think the GF’s is more complete... still have yet to actually bust it out at an event though

[The_Rural_Juror]

I have a cheapy Margaux next to a James Neal name plate that I am saving for ExtraSlow's birthday.

[Buster]

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I know... I have it, just awful at keep up with it, I appear to have scanned 5 bottles over a 2 day span in April, and that’s about it haha. Think the GF’s is more complete... still have yet to actually bust it out at an event though

I just go full asshole mode nowadays and break it out right in the wine store.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Pretending to be a sommelier can similarly backfire in spectacular fashion around here

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Pretending to be a sommelier can similarly backfire in spectacular fashion around here

Oh dang didn’t know you’ve been around that long lol that was a gem of a thread

[The_Rural_Juror]

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Oh dang didn’t know you’ve been around that long lol that was a gem of a thread

Did someone get in trouble for pretending again? I missed out.

[Mitsu3000gt]

This is one of those things like high-end home theater cables and amplifiers - there's a lot of talk until people have to put their money where their mouth is, and that tells you everything you need to know. Some pretty big dollar amounts have been floated around and nobody ever accepts the challenge.

Controlled studies have shown many times that there is no real difference, at least not one that wine snobs and sommeliers are able to tell. There have been lots of blind tests on this - Coles notes is they fail every time to reliably tell a difference, and if asked to put their own money on the line they always decline, which proves they don't even believe it themselves. In some tests, participants were served the exact same glass of wine twice back-to-back and had dramatically different things to say haha.

Something like 90% of wine sold in the USA is in the $10-12 range, probably a bit higher for Canada just because of our insane liquor taxes. If there was an obvious difference in quality or taste for spending more, more people would gladly pay for it, just like any other product.

Expensive wine is usually either rare or old, not necessarily because it's supposed to taste better. Kind of like art in that sense, prices can be incredibly arbitrary.

I love wine and personally I've never had a wine that I really hated, but there are certainly some I like more than others. It is not hard to find 'good' wine between $10-20 in Canada IMO, and it's so subjective anyway that it's difficult to even make recommendations. All you can do is try as many as possible and see what you like yourself. Anyone who tells you they can reliably distinguish between cheap and expensive wine is full of shit, and they would never put their money where their mouth is in a blind test. There's really not a lot to debate on the topic, both blind testing and the wine market itself have given us all the data we need I think.

GM Sommeliers are probably the only ones that have a chance of doing well in a blind test and there are what, a couple hundred of those in the entire world? Everyone else is just like the rest of us haha.

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Did someone get in trouble for pretending again? I missed out.

Might have been before your time junior but now is your time to shine!!

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This is one of those things like high-end home theater cables and amplifiers - there's a lot of talk until people have to put their money where their mouth is, and that tells you everything you need to know. Some pretty big dollar amounts have been floated around and nobody ever accepts the challenge.

Controlled studies have shown many times that there is no real difference, at least not one that wine snobs and sommeliers are able to tell. There have been lots of blind tests on this - Coles notes is they fail every time to reliably tell a difference, and if asked to put their own money on the line they always decline, which proves they don't even believe it themselves. In some tests, participants were served the exact same glass of wine twice back-to-back and had dramatically different things to say haha.

Something like 90% of wine sold in the USA is in the $10-12 range, probably a bit higher for Canada just because of our insane liquor taxes. If there was an obvious difference in quality or taste for spending more, more people would gladly pay for it, just like any other product.

Expensive wine is usually either rare or old, not necessarily because it's supposed to taste better. Kind of like art in that sense, prices can be incredibly arbitrary.

I love wine and personally I've never had a wine that I really hated, but there are certainly some I like more than others. It is not hard to find 'good' wine between $10-20 in Canada IMO, and it's so subjective anyway that it's difficult to even make recommendations. All you can do is try as many as possible and see what you like yourself. Anyone who tells you they can reliably distinguish between cheap and expensive wine is full of shit, and they would never put their money where their mouth is in a blind test. There's really not a lot to debate on the topic, both blind testing and the wine market itself have given us all the data we need I think.

Lol

[rage2]

I buy what tastes good to me. Some are $10 bottles, some are $80. So much personal preference involved with wine, sometimes I feel the experts just suck it up and forcibly pretend to like something haha.

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I only like Riesling and Dom. Do those count lol

[The_Rural_Juror]

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I only like Riesling and Dom. Do those count lol

Snobs prefer reds.