4 Day Work Week

[ExtraSlow]

I'm not racist against chinese workers. I'd say I think only about 50% of my chinese coworkers are useless fucking tools. The other half are A-OK by me, GI.

[Disoblige]

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Arguing against people who's position is ingrained in them at the cellular level due to their own sunk cost is a tough job. Even though they are donating half of their waking life to a billionaire in return for a small amount of resources, they will defend it in every way possible. We want our stuff, and we want to look over at the other guy's car who only got cloth seats, where we have luxurious leather, etc. If we were all safe from being homeless, unfed, or bankrupt, I suspect the middle-class showboating nonsense would be over with. Dudes flexin anything when they're closer to homelessness than being ultra wealthy is cuckoo. Debt funding that is even worse.

What???
Are you implying we're all poor because we disagree with Buster? Well, you're absolutely right! I am poor.


Let's take a look at just this one statement alone:

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That's why the whole 4 day work week concept is so dumb. If you can do Y amount of work in 4 days, why not do 1.25 times Y in 5 days.

Well, this would be correct if all humans acted like robots. But wait, some people have a personality and may not mind a culture shift that provides them more free time
Plus it widely varies between the kind of work you do.

[Buster]

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Well, this would be correct if all humans acted like robots. But wait, some people have a personality and may not mind a culture shift that provides them more free time
Plus it widely varies between the kind of work you do.

I have no issue with people working 1 day, 2, 3, 4, 7. The issue is when all of this becomes mandated one way or the other.

Take a market that is willing to purchase goods and services that takes a company 5 labour units to produce. If you are either unwilling or unable to produce more than 4, they can either hire someone else to do the remaining 1, or you can do the remaining 1 for a total of 5. Or they may pay a premium wage to a worker than can produce 5 units of labour more than one that can produce 4.

So, people should be willing to do what they like with their labour units, and the market should be able to determine the value of that labour.

[ThePenIsMightier]

If you're not there on Fridays, you can't answer the frantic, insane, bullshit email request that comes in from the client at 16:45. You can pretend you'd tell the client "your complete lack of planning competence is not my scheduling emergency" if you makes you feel tough in the bathroom mirror. But you are still going to fix his moronic problem and thank him for the blessed opportunity.

You just need to use that money to buy a nice car or go on a fancy vacation at some point.

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I have no issue with people working 1 day, 2, 3, 4, 7. The issue is when all of this becomes mandated one way or the other.

Take a market that is willing to purchase goods and services that takes a company 5 labour units to produce. If you are either unwilling or unable to produce more than 4, they can either hire someone else to do the remaining 1, or you can do the remaining 1 for a total of 5. Or they may pay a premium wage to a worker than can produce 5 units of labour more than one that can produce 4.

So, people should be willing to do what they like with their labour units, and the market should be able to determine the value of that labour.

But just because the government is saying that they want to reduce work hours doesn't mean people can't work more if they want to. Plus the article specifically says:

“The only red lines are that we want to see a true reduction of working hours and no loss of salary or jobs.”

Nothing stops a salaried employee to do more work if they want to.


If anything, it looks like it is more trying to convince companies that more hours worked doesn't mean more productivity. The intent of all of this is to work smarter and provide better work-life balance so people aren't as burnt out. I am totally supportive of that, so just saying the "4 day work week concept is dumb" without acknowledging the context behind it is well... rather silly.

[killramos]

End of the day it’s a government mandated social experiment.

Those always work out.

[Disoblige]

I have beef with Buster because we made eye contact while I was picking up dog poop and he gave me a smug look as he walked by.

[killramos]

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I have beef with Buster because we made eye contact while I was picking up dog poop and he gave me a smug look as he walked by.

Your beef is misplaced, beef should be with the dog that has you cucked.

[bjstare]

TIL I must be inefficient because I work more than the average CoC employee.

[Buster]

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But just because the government is saying that they want to reduce work hours doesn't mean people can't work more if they want to. Plus the article specifically says:

Nothing stops a salaried employee to do more work if they want to.


If anything, it looks like it is more trying to convince companies that more hours worked doesn't mean more productivity. The intent of all of this is to work smarter and provide better work-life balance so people aren't as burnt out. I am totally supportive of that, so just saying the "4 day work week concept is dumb" without acknowledging the context behind it is well... rather silly.

Again - let people do what they want. I don't care what people do. If the gov't has no plans to stick their noses into this with labour laws, then it's just a company agreeing to let people work 4 days. It's the government creating "caps" or otherwise compelling people that would be a problem. Absent that, IDGAF.

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Again - let people do what they want. I don't care what people do. If the gov't has no plans to stick their noses into this with labour laws, then it's just a company agreeing to let people work 4 days. It's the government creating "caps" or otherwise compelling people that would be a problem. Absent that, IDGAF.

The only reason I keep commenting is that is not how the world works in reality. I figured someone like you would understand that?
Most companies will not put in the time and effort to change the status quo like that.

Let's use Covid as an example. Most companies keep referencing to government guidelines and rules as how they are proceeding with WFH practices. What if we followed the "let people do what they want" in regards to that? Well, you can imagine how that would go...
Whether it is a pandemic, or mental well-being related to work hours, the government's job is to help maintain welfare with as little interaction as possible.

Let me repeat. There is no fucking way companies will ON THEIR OWN go to a 4 day week. Most companies want others to guinea pig it first, so the government stepping in to trial this is not a bad idea.

[Buster]

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The only reason I keep commenting is that is not how the world works in reality. I figured someone like you would understand that?
Most companies will not put in the time and effort to change the status quo like that.

Let's use Covid as an example. Most companies keep referencing to government guidelines and rules as how they are proceeding with WFH practices. What if we followed the "let people do what they want" in regards to that? Well, you can imagine how that would go...
Whether it is a pandemic, or mental well-being related to work hours, the government's job is to help maintain welfare with as little interaction as possible.

Let me repeat. There is no fucking way companies will ON THEIR OWN go to a 4 day week. Most companies want others to guinea pig it first, so the government stepping in to trial this is not a bad idea.

The type of socialism that you are describing is a fast track to turning your country into shit-town. Socialism blows, and has failed every time it has been tried.

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The type of socialism that you are describing is a fast track to turning your country into shit-town. Socialism blows, and has failed every time it has been tried.

Yup. But where do you draw the line on the spectrum?

Problem is a lot of people who blame the government for almost anything has generally a terrible understanding on the topic and would likely have their tail between their legs while thinking "OMG what is the government doing about this?!" when shit actually goes down.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Yup. But where do you draw the line on the spectrum?

Problem is a lot of people who blame the government for almost anything has generally a terrible understanding on the topic and would likely have their tail between their legs while thinking "OMG what is the government doing about this?!" when shit actually goes down.

You don't draw it at "how burned out Spaniards are" when they already live in a pretty socialist country and work far fewer hours than many of their neighbours in similar socio-economic bliss.

Perhaps draw it in a place where suicide nets are installed in the buildings.

[Buster]

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Yup. But where do you draw the line on the spectrum?

Problem is a lot of people who blame the government for almost anything has generally a terrible understanding on the topic and would likely have their tail between their legs while thinking "OMG what is the government doing about this?!" when shit actually goes down.

What spectrum? The government should have no say in what two consenting adult parties wish to do so long as they aren't hurting or committing a crime against a third party, etc. Hardly a spectrum.

[Xtrema]

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You don't draw it at "how burned out Spaniards are" when they already live in a pretty socialist country and work far fewer hours than many of their neighbours in similar socio-economic bliss.

Perhaps draw it in a place where suicide nets are installed in the buildings.

Bingo. Totally didn't think a country with daily 3hr siesta even need a 4 day work week experiment.

Asia on the other hand.....

[JRSC00LUDE]

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If you're not there on Fridays, you can't answer the frantic, insane, bullshit email request that comes in from the client at 16:45. You can pretend you'd tell the client "your complete lack of planning competence is not my scheduling emergency" if you makes you feel tough in the bathroom mirror. But you are still going to fix his moronic problem and thank him for the blessed opportunity.

You just need to use that money to buy a nice car or go on a fancy vacation at some point.

My clock only goes to 12, what sort of witchcraft is this?

[rc51]

Having just spent 3 years in Germany, on the low side would be 35, with 40 being max, our reference was the company where spouse was managing a joint Canadian-German project as MD/CFO.

They don't nap. They get their stuff done and leave. If they rack up their 40 hours by Thurs or Friday morning, they leave early. Company provides subsidized transit, and $$$ for lunch or cafeteria in the building.

Fun fact: Was at a gas station by our apartment on Sun morning, wanted to check tire pressures before hitting the Autobahn, their air station was closed due to 'no noise policy' on Sundays. Guy looked at me like I had a hole in my head for just asking.

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You don't draw it at "how burned out Spaniards are" when they already live in a pretty socialist country and work far fewer hours than many of their neighbours in similar socio-economic bliss.

Perhaps draw it in a place where suicide nets are installed in the buildings.

LMAO. I like this comment.

[rc51]

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Spain is starting a trial:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...y-working-week

Surprise quote:
“Spain is one of the countries where workers put in more hours than the European average. But we’re not among the most productive countries,”

Why do I have a feeling they are way more laid back than stats indicates?

And what's the your take on 4 day work week? Would this help our travel industry to recover if every weekend is a long weekend?

Went to 4 days back in 2015, best thing I did.