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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    Lewis rarely had to consider these things as his car was always so fast.
    LOL @ the Hamilton hate. Did he sleep with your wife on a family vacation or something?

    I’ve only been watching F1 since 2013 (went to 2013 Montreal GP and loved it) so not an expert, however, anyone who thinks this was a satisfying end to a WDC is batshit. VER with his season is certainly deserving of a WDC but to any unbiased fan it’s clear he shouldnÂ’t have won yesterday’s race. If Masi isn’t gone after this season I think I’ll cancel my F1 subscription…an absolute disaster of a season for the FIA which resulted in his decision(s) in the final race directly handing the WDC to VER. Huge asterisk on the WDC and its unfortunate many people aren’t going to remember this season as great racing between HAM and VER and VER’s WDC, instead this season will be remembered for the controversies, especially in the final race, and there will always be the question of whether VER deserved it.

    It’s very surprising how well HAM and his team are taking this. If I was in his shoes I would be talking to every media outlet about how shoddy the FIA and Masi are…he’s rich and can afford a few fines for trashing them and calling a spade a spade.

    I hope Mercedes takes legal action so I can be entertained and see how it all plays out. Unlikely to result in a change to the WDC but the FIA deserves to be dragged through the mud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Type_S1 View Post
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    LOL @ the Hamilton hate. Did he sleep with your wife on a family vacation or something?

    I’ve only been watching F1 since 2013 (went to 2013 Montreal GP and loved it) so not an expert, however, anyone who thinks this was a satisfying end to a WDC is batshit. VER with his season is certainly deserving of a WDC but to any unbiased fan it’s clear he shouldnÂ’t have won yesterday’s race. If Masi isn’t gone after this season I think I’ll cancel my F1 subscription…an absolute disaster of a season for the FIA which resulted in his decision(s) in the final race directly handing the WDC to VER. Huge asterisk on the WDC and its unfortunate many people aren’t going to remember this season as great racing between HAM and VER and VER’s WDC, instead this season will be remembered for the controversies, especially in the final race, and there will always be the question of whether VER deserved it.

    It’s very surprising how well HAM and his team are taking this. If I was in his shoes I would be talking to every media outlet about how shoddy the FIA and Masi are…he’s rich and can afford a few fines for trashing them and calling a spade a spade.

    I hope Mercedes takes legal action so I can be entertained and see how it all plays out. Unlikely to result in a change to the WDC but the FIA deserves to be dragged through the mud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    This wasn’t a fight at the apex.
    I don't know. Looks exactly like the diagram from the F1 Metrics scenario to me.

    A stabilised view I came across: https://streamable.com/9tlngf

    Edit: The post-race opinions: https://youtu.be/mjuD-w1faXs?t=825

    It's also worth remembering that Max was on the softs and would have better traction into the corner.
    Last edited by davidI; 12-13-2021 at 12:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidI View Post
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    I don't know. Looks exactly like the diagram from the F1 Metrics scenario to me.

    A stabilised view I came across: https://streamable.com/9tlngf
    woah, that's really cool.

    Max just caught Lewis napping. Lewis played it smart: worst case scenario is he has to give back to the place, or the FIA fucks up and lets him keep it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    woah, that's really cool.

    Max just caught Lewis napping. Lewis played it smart: worst case scenario is he has to give back to the place, or the FIA fucks up and lets him keep it.
    Given all that's happened this season, do you really want to bank your WDC hopes on the stewards making the right call?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sexualbanana View Post
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    Given all that's happened this season, do you really want to bank your WDC hopes on the stewards making the right call?
    Masi/Stewards fuckery was happening all season long.

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    "I do believe it was a strange on, and maybe something to look at because it was very strange to see, and it nearly cost me my podium, to be honest." - Carlos Sainz

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...-call/6880595/
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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    The reason why Lewis was on the outside was the expectation that he didn’t get run off the track, and be a position in the more favorable inside line for the next corner. You don’t defend the inside on that corner or you’re compromised for the next one.

    And yes, Lewis was definitely allowed room here. This wasn’t a fight at the apex.
    Wouldn't you have to defend the inside going into T6? Though T7 is a right, though the next two corners after that are both lefts. Do you think Lewis would have left the door wide open on the inside if Max was a car length or two closer going into the braking zone?

    I answered my own question, on lap 21 when there was another Red Bull trying to pass Lewis (back) at T6 he did cover the inside and therefore kept his place ahead.
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    I think the world is split into two camps, those that want max's move to be legal like me and those that want it to be illegal like @rage2 .

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    Has it been stated anywhere the reason for Perez's retirement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    I think the world is split into two camps, those that want max's move to be legal like me and those that want it to be illegal like @rage2 .
    So DTS fans, and real fans.

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    Has it been stated anywhere the reason for Perez's retirement?
    I've read a few theories. The funniest one was "they under fuelled him to block Hamilton" but that's stupid, because he made it all the way to the last lap already haha.

    The accepted answer was there was a potential water temp issues, and they feared a failure would've extended the SC so they stopped him instead. Realistically he probably could've finished the race, but there was no need as it wouldn't have won WCC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sexualbanana View Post
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    Has it been stated anywhere the reason for Perez's retirement?
    To fuck up my fantasy pool results, that's what.

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    I don't watch F1, but I read the last many pages about this controversy. It sounds far too complicated to bother with haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by schocker View Post
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    That ending kind of summed up the season really.
    The Perez defending on Hamilton was excellent though and was a key part of red bull's race while Bottas was stuck back in the pack.
    Mercedes strategy though, couldn't Hamilton have matched one of the two stops by Max?
    Yah, the first one he could have come in. I think Hamilton at that point had already communicated concern about going long on the tires. He said flat out it was a risk. RBR pulled the second stop which I think resulted in the long bleeped out Hamilton radio message

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    woah, that's really cool.

    Max just caught Lewis napping. Lewis played it smart: worst case scenario is he has to give back to the place, or the FIA fucks up and lets him keep it.
    Well Hamilton did say at the beginning he wanted Max in front so he knew where he was. His awareness of this same setup time and time again is what is kind of funny. That stabilized video shows that Max executed that corner just fine in a head to head fashion, Lewis wanted to run the corner as he would unchallenged trying to make pretty fastest laps. I think he forgets he's racing sometimes, and rather than taking what's there (as you guys like to say, "aggressive") he tries to position himself in the track in the ideal spot. Which means he left the door open for taking what's there, and not covering that inside.


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    Has it been stated anywhere the reason for Perez's retirement?
    I had read oil pressure
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    Just look up Kelly Piquet and all is well

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    I don't watch F1, but I read the last many pages about this controversy. It sounds far too complicated to bother with haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE View Post
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    I don't watch F1, but I read the last many pages about this controversy. It sounds far too complicated to bother with haha
    Me neither. I guess a replay just started on TSN and I watched about 8 minutes of it.
    The cocky Dutch guy tried to make a pass way, way inside of a turn on the first lap so the cocky black guy went so fucking far off the track I think he was able to visit the concession while he cut the corner and gained a hilarious lead instead of actually being passed.
    Some steward (maybe named Stuart) said this was A-OK.

    So basically, this sport is as crooked as Ice Dancing was.

    /summary
    /mild interest

    LoL!!

    *Also looked up Kelly whatever.
    Would bang.

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    I'm just happy the GOAT won

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipstah View Post
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    Sweet deal, he can get Sofina to redistribute it for profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    Me neither. I guess a replay just started on TSN and I watched about 8 minutes of it.
    The cocky Dutch guy tried to make a pass way, way inside of a turn on the first lap so the cocky black guy went so fucking far off the track I think he was able to visit the concession while he cut the corner and gained a hilarious lead instead of actually being passed.
    Some steward (maybe named Stuart) said this was A-OK.

    So basically, this sport is as crooked as Ice Dancing was.

    /summary
    /mild interest

    LoL!!

    *Also looked up Kelly whatever.
    Would bang.
    Oh, man. You're in for a treat in about 56 laps.
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