Am I crazy or is this the worst time ever to buy a vehicle?

[bjstare]

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I think less than half of the vehicles I have ever owned has had a block heater

Ya most (all?) newer German cars don’t even have the option to install one.

[ExtraSlow]

They should come with battery maintainers not block heaters.

[Disoblige]

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They should come with battery maintainers not block heaters.

Agreed, or at the very least if they don't, just the quick connect to connect to a charger would be fine too as a bare minimum (like they do with bikes).

[max_boost]

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A friend is looking for an auto Supra and every Toyota dealer is trash. Cheapest he’s found so far is $4k over msrp plus a “$10k” retainer to make sure he doesn’t flip it. Every single dealer is charging for a block heater too which doesn’t even exist for a B58.

You gotta really want this car to do that

[flipstah]

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Yeah seems like every Toyota dealer from Edmonton South is awful to deal with right now. He finally got them down to $1700 over msrp but the $10k “retainer” is a dealbreaker for him, he’s worried they will find some sort of bullshit reason to keep it so he’s not willing to proceed.

What the fuck is a retainer on a car sale? That's stupid.

Is that legal? @shak

[pheoxs]

Well the patience paid off. Just signed the paperwork for a Ioniq 5 and supposed to fly out and pick it up Saturday.

They ended up coming down to MSRP, removing 6k worth of crud addons to move it by the end of month. Ended up having to still pay the stupid $700 admin fee bs which is whatever at this point. Long Range preferred RWD.

[BavarianBeast]

They’re doing RoFR on some of the new Lamborghinis, and making people sign paperwork saying they can’t sell for a year. As far as I know, they can’t legally hold you to this in Canada but Lamborghini or other brands may blacklist you from buying new.

On a side note - I was typing this and ended up talking to my wife halfway through the response and it typed out our whole conversation. How do you intentionally do this haha

[pheoxs]

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On a side note - I was typing this and ended up talking to my wife halfway through the response and it typed out our whole conversation. How do you intentionally do this haha

Hit the microphone button on your keyboard depending on the phone

[killramos]

So does a Lambo blacklist apply to the entire VWAG lineup?

[Buster]

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They’re doing RoFR on some of the new Lamborghinis, and making people sign paperwork saying they can’t sell for a year. As far as I know, they can’t legally hold you to this in Canada but Lamborghini or other brands may blacklist you from buying new.

On a side note - I was typing this and ended up talking to my wife halfway through the response and it typed out our whole conversation. How do you intentionally do this haha

gm told me for my Denali EV order that I had to sign a one year lease.

I don't see how a ROFR can't be legally binding also.

[you&me]

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gm told me for my Denali EV order that I had to sign a one year lease.

I don't see how a ROFR can't be legally binding also.

The finance or lease requirements cannot be enforced... Bonus goes to paying it off earlier than stipulated and knowing the dealer has to pay back their reserve $$$.

Fuck the idea of giving the dealer a retainer / additional deposit and giving them all the power.

Not sure about here, but the ROFRs are generally not enforceable in the US... The worst they can do is stop selling you new cars. At this point in the market cycle, I feel like the dealers will be begging for business before that becomes an actual consequence worth worrying about.

[Buster]

Is the ROFR restriction related to vehicles in a special way?

Because ROFRs in general area certainly enforceable

[Team_Mclaren]

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Ended up having to still pay the stupid $700 admin fee bs which is whatever at this point. Long Range preferred RWD.

IIRC Admin is listed on the website too (like BMW, MB etc). but no wonder they'd do MSRP on a long range rwd. Cant really give those away....

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The finance or lease requirements cannot be enforced...

I dont think one can buyout a Tesla lease....

[pheoxs]

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IIRC Admin is listed on the website too (like BMW, MB etc). but no wonder they'd do MSRP on a long range rwd. Cant really give those away....

RWD is just fine for me since it gets a fair bit better range (480km RWD vs 410km AWD)

[you&me]

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I dont think one can buyout a Tesla lease....

I haven't tried, so I don't know.

I do know I've only encountered an involuntary finance once and paid it off 4 days later and when doing so, there was zero push back from the finance dept, even though less than a week earlier it was "absolutely mandatory and non-negotiable"... I know there have been a ton of articles and posts on here that all essentially say the same thing - a consumer cannot be forced to maintain financing, aka they have to be allowed to pay it off.

[94boosted]

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I haven't tried, so I don't know.

I do know I've only encountered an involuntary finance once and paid it off 4 days later and when doing so, there was zero push back from the finance dept, even though less than a week earlier it was "absolutely mandatory and non-negotiable"... I know there have been a ton of articles and posts on here that all essentially say the same thing - a consumer cannot be forced to maintain financing, aka they have to be allowed to pay it off.

Yah the dealership that just sold me my Supra forced me to finance, did so at a rate higher than the posted rate on the website and told me I absolutely couldn’t pay it off for 6 months. Needless to say it was paid off the day it was opened with the bank.

[max_boost]

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Yah the dealership that just sold me my Supra forced me to finance, did so at a rate higher than the posted rate on the website and told me I absolutely couldn’t pay it off for 6 months. Needless to say it was paid off the day it was opened with the bank.

lol this whole dance is just ridiculous

[shakalaka]

They say the 6 months thing because that is when the dealer gets their kick-back from the lending institution. So if paid-off before that, they lose out on whatever that kick-back is.

[you&me]

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They say the 6 months thing because that is when the dealer gets their kick-back from the lending institution. So if paid-off before that, they lose out on whatever that kick-back is.

Technically, they get paid right away; it gets clawed back if you pay it off in <6 months, which is even better

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Yah the dealership that just sold me my Supra forced me to finance, did so at a rate higher than the posted rate on the website and told me I absolutely couldn’t pay it off for 6 months. Needless to say it was paid off the day it was opened with the bank.

I bet the average person isn't aware this is even an option. "They said it so I guess I have to" especially when using words like non-negotiable.

So greasy.