Corolla GR debuts Thursday 31st

[ThePenIsMightier]

Was 2018 really that "long ago"?
I agree that it's not "super recent" but it feels like some of us are talking about it like it was "the 70s" and I don't think that's accurate.

[bjstare]

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Was 2018 really that "long ago"?
I agree that it's not "super recent" but it feels like some of us are talking about it like it was "the 70s" and I don't think that's accurate.

The hot hatch product hasn’t materially changed since then. The car market has though.

[Buster]

Do hot hatches really exist much any more?

[riander5]

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Was 2018 really that "long ago"?
I agree that it's not "super recent" but it feels like some of us are talking about it like it was "the 70s" and I don't think that's accurate.

I think its mostly in reference to 2018 being a period of normal car values.

Everyone is aware of trucks gonig bonkers, and I always for some reason peg it to a BMW price I always see. BMW 340's are routinely offered from dealers for over $100k these days. 4-5 years ago when the model was brand new, this was definitely not the case.

To sum up, back in the normal days of car pricing, $60k for the focus was astronomical

[bjstare]

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Do hot hatches really exist much any more?

Yeah, I'd say so.

Golf R
Corolla GR (mythical, to some extent, but exists)
Hyundai Kona N
A35 amg
civic type r

There's a couple more outside the NA market (e.g., Fiesta ST), but I'd say they still exist.

[94boosted]

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I think its mostly in reference to 2018 being a period of normal car values.

Everyone is aware of trucks gonig bonkers, and I always for some reason peg it to a BMW price I always see. BMW 340's are routinely offered from dealers for over $100k these days. 4-5 years ago when the model was brand new, this was definitely not the case.

To sum up, back in the normal days of car pricing, $60k for the focus was astronomical

Over $100K for a 340? I don't think I've seen them quite that high, mid 80's seems to be the norm with low 90's for the fully loaded ones. Even at that price point it's ridiculous for a non "M" 3 series.

[pheoxs]

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Yeah, I'd say so.

Golf R
Corolla GR (mythical, to some extent, but exists)
Hyundai Kona N
A35 amg
civic type r

There's a couple more outside the NA market (e.g., Fiesta ST), but I'd say they still exist.

Pretty sad when the list of hot hatches only has 1 entry under 50k on there. Long gone are the days of affordable fun.

[bjstare]

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Pretty sad when the list of hot hatches only has 1 entry under 50k on there. Long gone are the days of affordable fun.

Well, you know what they say about being poor...

[ExtraSlow]

50k today is like 25k when we were young.

[gpomp]

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50k today is like 25k when we were young.

50k today is like 25k when we were young in 2019.

[killramos]

I think inflation has been way more fucked than any of us want to admit.

Bonkers stuff

[riander5]

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Over $100K for a 340? I don't think I've seen them quite that high, mid 80's seems to be the norm with low 90's for the fully loaded ones. Even at that price point it's ridiculous for a non "M" 3 series.

The highest I can find them right now is $93k... but i've been hit with a few ads on social media for ones just cracking $100k... I swear!

[rc2002]

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50k today is like 25k when we were young.

STi came to North America almost 20 years ago and was $50k. At 2% inflation it should be $75k today.

Integra Type R came to North America in 1997. From memory they cost around $35k. At 2% inflation they would be $58.5k today.

Not sure that prices are that out to lunch although COVID did screw a lot of things up.

As for Corolla GR, I think Toyota missed the timing again, not unlike FRS.

[SilverRex]

When I picked up 2004 Subaru STI hatch, I recall it was in the $42k range

[RX_EVOLV]

Picked up my RX8 in 2005 for $43k. According to the online Calculator that's equalvalent to $66k today.

[riander5]

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Picked up my RX8 in 2005 for $43k. According to the online Calculator that's equalvalent to $66k today.

Those were cool cars. My buddy had one and it handled like it was on rails. Too bad they didnt offer an option like the mazdaspeed 3 engine or something in it... I know it wouldn't have been as iconic but you gotta wonder.

[bjstare]

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Those were cool cars. My buddy had one and it handled like it was on rails. Too bad they didnt offer an option like the mazdaspeed 3 engine or something in it... I know it wouldn't have been as iconic but you gotta wonder.

Stop wondering; pick up one with a toasted engine (should be plentiful) and swap in an LS.. or a 2JZ if you are feeling spendy.

[flipstah]

A35 is a thing still? Haven't seen inventory in those for ages

[riander5]

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Stop wondering; pick up one with a toasted engine (should be plentiful) and swap in an LS.. or a 2JZ if you are feeling spendy.

Thats a good idea. I always thought swapping an s14 240sx would be awesome. The s14's probably go for more money than any RX8 these days.

[Team_Mclaren]

fuck that, rotary for life. rev to the moon



but yes realistically, the car would be way more fun with another 100hp