4 Day Work Week

[Buster]

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I think it's clear they really need to call it a 32 hr work week instead of a 4-day work week. Doesn't seem to matter where these programs get brought up, the pros and cons of a 4x10 schedule or other compressed schedules based on a 40 hour work week is what takes over when that isn't what is being proposed.

Let's just call it what it really is: institutionalized laziness.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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I think it's clear they really need to call it a 32 hr work week instead of a 4-day work week. Doesn't seem to matter where these programs get brought up, the pros and cons of a 4x10 schedule or other compressed schedules based on a 40 hour work week is what takes over when that isn't what is being proposed.

Although I'm guilty of bringing up four-10's I had assumed because it was Spain that it was <<40hr.
I didn't even read the article because I think Guardian is about as good as The Rebel (but Left).

[killramos]

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Let's just call it what it really is: institutionalized laziness.

That’s Spain for you.

[94boosted]

4 x 9hr days, 36hr work week. I'd happily take a 10% pay cut if it meant I would have a long weekend every weekend

[ExtraSlow]

There's a lot of people in Canada who are very good at sitting in chairs for a lot of hours per week. Thier output is not always impressive.

I'm extremely productive about two hours a day. Then moderately productive the remainder of the working hours. To be honest, those two hours are 90% of the value I provide to my company. The rest could be any grunt.

[kertejud2]

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Let's just call it what it really is: institutionalized laziness.

Only if you equate hours at work to be equal to hours of work.

If the your employer phrases it as: 'If you get your work for the week done in 32 hours instead of 40, you get an extra day off a week' it quickly becomes the opposite of promoting laziness, but instead exposes it.

[ExtraSlow]

There aren't many managers who can accurately track output instead of attendance.

[Mitsu3000gt]

I feel like every time I read an article on a 3 or 4 day work week, the results are usually that people are happier and more productive. I know I would be happier and more productive if that was the case, no question about it. I wish the North American attitudes of "work till you die" and "if you aren't in the office, you aren't working" were different but I doubt that will change anytime soon.

I think it would be very interesting to compare GDP per capita vs GDP per hours worked. I would venture a guess that there are countries with the same or better GDP per hour worked with significantly fewer hours. I'd also be interested at which point that no longer is the case, because you can't keep reducing hours and expecting increased productivity.

[Buster]

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Only if you equate hours at work to be equal to hours of work.

If the your employer phrases it as: 'If you get your work for the week done in 32 hours instead of 40, you get an extra day off a week' it quickly becomes the opposite of promoting laziness, but instead exposes it.

then why stop at 32? Let's do 24 hour work weeks! Increased productivity! Efficiency!

Your logic is dumb.

Which is, of course, very on-brand.

[Tik-Tok]

I did 4x10's for 4 years. I loved it. 10/10. Would recommend. 10/10.

4-8's? Fuck off unless you're giving me a 20% pay raise, but I'm not going to be more productive than I am now. 20% less productive actually.

[killramos]

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then why stop at 32? Let's do 24 hour work weeks! Increased productivity! Efficiency!

Your logic is dumb.

Which is, of course, very on-brand.

Kerts plan works good for about a week while it’s novel. Then week 2 the average entitled lazy fuck adjusts and gets 3 days of work done in 4. Then you get a middle manager declaring they need more staff. A+ program.

[Buster]

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I did 4x10's for 4 years. I loved it. 10/10. Would recommend. 10/10.

4-8's? Fuck off unless you're giving me a 20% pay raise, but I'm not going to be more productive than I am now. 20% less productive actually.

This isn't what this proposal is saying.

They basically want to leave work early, but don't want to punch out early. The logic being that they weren't going to be working those hours anyway, so why make them pretend to work?

"Hey Boss, I'm feeling a bit lethargic today, and I don't think I'm going to get much done, mind if I head home?"

"Sure Carlos, just punch out on your way out, no problem."

"Boss, I don't want to punch out, I just want to go home."

[Xtrema]

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Then you get a middle manager declaring they need more staff. A+ program.

I am sure that's one of the goals, people work less hours, more works left over that needs more people.


For Spain's unemployment rate hovered around 15-25% in the last decade, it may ease that number a bit.

[killramos]

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I am sure that's one of the goals, people work less hours, more works left over that needs more people.


For Spain's unemployment rate hovered around 15-25% in the last decade, it may ease that number a bit.

Everyone’s laughing until average wages slide by 20% to compensate.

[Buster]

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I am sure that's one of the goals, people work less hours, more works left over that needs more people.


For Spain's unemployment rate hovered around 15-25% in the last decade, it may ease that number a bit.

There's only a few reasons that they have had such mismanagement of their labour force. None of them point to the spanish being world experts in work week theory.

[kertejud2]

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then why stop at 32? Let's do 24 hour work weeks! Increased productivity! Efficiency!

Incrementally reducing attendance to see how productivity is affected is the responsible way. Was the middle 19th century when weekends became a thing, 1920s-1940s for the 5/40 to become a thing. So with almost a hundred years doing it one way, seeing what a shift to 4/32 results in would probably need at least a couple years of data collection before considering another shift, probably.

[Buster]

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Incrementally reducing attendance to see how productivity is affected is the responsible way. Was the middle 19th century when weekends became a thing, 1920s-1940s for the 5/40 to become a thing. So with almost a hundred years doing it one way, seeing what a shift to 4/32 results in would probably need at least a couple years of data collection before considering another shift, probably.

Or you could just let employees and employers decide how much they should work and the related compensation. This whole idea is nonsense.

[Xtrema]

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That is what China and HK think of North Americans.

Everyones want to work less, even in China.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/worl...pectations-by/

In a social-media video viewed nearly 50 million times in less than 24 hours, Mr. Wang describes regularly working past midnight in an office without enough toilets and with food sometimes served rotten. Many employees were expected to log 300 hours a month, he says, and managers in the grocery division demanded 380 hours a month......
“To use one sentence to describe this company, it doesn’t care for workers, just like all internet companies in China,” Mr. Wang says in his video.

In response, Pinduoduo accused Mr. Wang of expressing “extreme emotions” that could threaten his colleagues. The company said it would provide psychological services to its 7,000-person work force after one of its engineers fell 27 storeys to his death from his parents’ apartment building several days ago. A medical examiner said it was suicide.

What happens at the company has international implications, as Pinduoduo is traded on the Nasdaq stock exchange and was founded by Huang Zheng, a former Google engineer educated in the United States.

But it’s also the latest outcry from a generation that is cracking under intense workplace demands, even as China’s leaders tout the creation of a “moderately prosperous society.”

Over the past two years, university students have used Marxist thought to criticize factory conditions, lament the immense demands on delivery drivers and speak out against “996,” the 9 a.m.-to-9 p.m., six-day-a-week schedule made famous by telecommunications giant Huawei.

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Or you could just let employees and employers decide how much they should work and the related compensation. This whole idea is nonsense.

See above example why China is so good at capitalism.

[Tik-Tok]

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Everyone’s laughing until average wages slide by 20% to compensate.

Being in Canada though, we'll enjoy a 4 day work week, but Trudeau pays the extra day, while increasing taxes by 25%.

[kertejud2]

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Or you could just let employees and employers decide how much they should work and the related compensation. This whole idea is nonsense.

You seem awfully worked up about a voluntary pilot program.

Individual contract negotiation and collective bargaining over compensation and scheduling is still a thing, this doesn't take away from that.